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To: D-fendr; betty boop
...It is called vacuum genesis and it suggests that the universe began as a single particle arising from an absolute vacuum. Curious as it may seem, this idea violates none of the known laws of physics.

It violates the principle that whatever begins to exist has a cause. Even a quantum vacuum is not nothing. Nothing comes from nothing.

Cordially,

48 posted on 07/20/2004 9:19:17 AM PDT by Diamond
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To: Diamond
Nothing comes from nothing

If you mean nothing as in "not from pre-existing energy/matter, then I think that statement is not true. Virtual particles (cassini effect) come into existence from "nothing," i.e. not from pre-existing matter/energy.

It violates the principle that whatever begins to exist has a cause.

Well, if you'd like to be scientific, the physical laws/forces of the universe are the cause.

Even a quantum vacuum is not nothing.

The laws of the universe exist everywhere in the universe - even where matter does not, so even where there is no energy or matter, the "rules" are still present.

You're right in that in a quantum vacuum consists of particles and antiparticles that briefly appear and then disappear just as quickly – from nothing (no matter).

thanks for your reply..

49 posted on 07/20/2004 10:19:50 AM PDT by D-fendr
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To: Diamond; Alamo-Girl; marron; unspun
Nothing comes from nothing.

Hello Diamond! Certainly this is true for us denizens of the natural world.

God, however, is not subject to this restriction. For He created the world "out of nothing."

Of course, He added a whole lot of "value-added" to that nothing.... :^) Thanks so much for writing!

52 posted on 07/20/2004 11:12:31 AM PDT by betty boop
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To: Diamond
Nothing comes from nothing.

You need to demonstrate this. It is not obvious and some physics theories disagree.

55 posted on 07/20/2004 11:57:03 AM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Diamond; Alamo-Girl; marron; djf; RightWhale; PatrickHenry
Even a quantum vacuum is not nothing. Nothing comes from nothing.

The quantum vacuum seems to be something. At least, if one is to assess it by its putative "effects" -- some of which, at least, have been rigorously demonstrated under immaculate laboratory conditions. And if the collection of all such experiments to date were considered dispositive to prove the case, I would agree with you -- this would mean that the QV is real and so has a Cause.

En Sof, however, does not seem to fall within the scope of any known human concept of "nothing" -- or of any demonstrated human ability to fully, consciously, finally understand a concept such as "Nothing." Plato called it Chora, "Space (Necessity)". The Arabs of the Middle Ages invented "Zero" to account for its persistent recurrence -- if only as inferred by its persistent "absence" in the formulations of the mathematics of their day -- and also in actual, lived human experience.

But understanding this ancient question seems no longer relevant in a world in which imaginary numbers are often useful and needed (depending on the problem); and rightly so -- so long as we do not forget the logical basis on which imaginary numbers rest.

Diamond, thank you so much for writing.

114 posted on 07/23/2004 5:02:57 PM PDT by betty boop
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