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Senate Scuttles Gay Marriage Amendment (Two no-shows. Care to guess?)
AP/ Yahoo ^ | 7/14/04 | David Espo

Posted on 07/14/2004 9:50:28 AM PDT by 11th Earl of Mar

Edited on 07/14/2004 10:13:18 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

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Most Americans really don't care much about this issue.

It only directly affects those who are gay. I doubt the constitution will ever be changed for this purpose. Nor should it IMO.


101 posted on 07/14/2004 10:25:42 AM PDT by mcmac22
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
"The issue is not ripe..." said Sen. Christopher Dodd of Connecticut.

No, but you are, Senator. Overripe, in fact.

102 posted on 07/14/2004 10:25:52 AM PDT by snopercod (I remember when Gallo Red Mountain wine was $1.59 a gallon.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

The 52 Senators do NOT represent majority opinion on this subject. It bears repeating the elected representatives of the people can sometimes vote opposite to their desires. I do know for a fact if this measure were brought to a nationwide vote of the people, it would pass in a heartbeat. In a way I am pleased the N0-SHOWS (we know who they are) were just too cowardly to tell us where they stood on the most important issue of our time.


103 posted on 07/14/2004 10:25:53 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: oceanview

To my recollection, Hagel voted yes, McCain no.


104 posted on 07/14/2004 10:26:15 AM PDT by maxter
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To: B Knotts
Didn't say you broke a forum rule, I said you should familiarize yourself with them before accusing the forum of banning those with dissenting opinions.

On the other hand, you personally attacked me.

ROTFLMAO!!

105 posted on 07/14/2004 10:26:25 AM PDT by Coop (In memory of a true hero- Pat Tillman)
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To: King Black Robe

BARF ALERT

Oh well, we had some nasty losses before we got to the Battle of Midway.

Eagles still up.

106 posted on 07/14/2004 10:27:15 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (***Since The Iraq War & Transition Period Began, NORTH KOREA HAS MANUFACTURED (8) NUCLEAR WEAPONS***)
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To: Kahonek
Actually, I guess it was Edwards who spoke and didn't stay. Kerry didn't show up at all, so neither of them voted.

Disgusting. These two are beneath contempt.

107 posted on 07/14/2004 10:27:20 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: B Knotts
We couldn't even knock out Specter without the powers that be getting involved and stopping us.

IIRC, that was due to Rove's machinations on behalf of W's re-election, W's sense of loyalty to Specter, and the re-registration of union members solely to interfere in the pubbie primary. That was quite a convergence, and it's no reason to give up in dispair. The last enduring, successful third party resulted from a momentous issue about 150 years ago.

108 posted on 07/14/2004 10:27:27 AM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: johnmorris886

Congress cannot remove "federal" appellate jurisdiction. It can only constrain the appellate jurisdiction of the Supreme Court (which would have the effect of making the circuit court the "court of last resort" setting the binding precedents for each district).


109 posted on 07/14/2004 10:29:32 AM PDT by steve-b (Panties & Leashes Would Look Good On Spammers)
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To: mcmac22

You're wrong. We are all born into the family. Its fate affects all of us regardless of whether we never marry and for those of us who do, it affects the health of our relationships and the welfare of our children. When the American people have the opportunity to affirm marriage, they have done so over the opposition or ignorance of our elites. The Senate may be closely divided on this issue but the vast majority of the American people know we need to preserve and strengthen it for posterity.


110 posted on 07/14/2004 10:30:07 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: rhombus

how are you going to keep it out of the public schools? once gay marriage is as legal as the marriages we have today, how are you going to stop gay activitists and the courts from forcing public schools to adopt this as part of the curriculum? can you imagine taking young children, who have not formed their own sense of reality on this topic due to their age and maturity level - from being taught that Eddie marrying Bobby is the same as Eddie marrying Susie?


111 posted on 07/14/2004 10:30:22 AM PDT by oceanview
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To: longtermmemmory
Tooo many women of wealsley.

Make that "womyn."

112 posted on 07/14/2004 10:30:24 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: oceanview

It is already too late. My 24 y/o staunchly Republican, Bush supporting, Rep. precinct chairperson niece and her 22 y/o staunchly Republican, poll working brother proclaimed to the whole family on Thanksgiving that they could care less if two guys or two women get married.


113 posted on 07/14/2004 10:31:20 AM PDT by redangus
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To: oceanview; nickcarraway

"its 65%."

That certainly sounds closer to what I've seen in the polls.


114 posted on 07/14/2004 10:32:30 AM PDT by Kahonek
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To: 11th Earl of Mar

Scuttle is a bad turn of words, it can be brought up again.

Particularly with a SENATOR DITAKA!


115 posted on 07/14/2004 10:32:38 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: Lunatic Fringe
The Supreme Court amends the Constitution virtually every time it sits. Yet the liberals now claim that it is a sacrosanct document that must not be amended except with the greatest care. The hypocrisy is stomach turning.
116 posted on 07/14/2004 10:32:56 AM PDT by Malesherbes
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To: rhombus
Well, your question
I don't see what marriage has to do with the Gov't and/or the Constitution.
can be interpreted in (at least) two ways:

Why is government involved in marriage in the first place?

Why does it matter how marriage is defined from the standpoint of the government and/or Constitution?

I was addressing the second, mostly because now that the benefits are in place making marriage a legal definition and a key to benefits, the historical reasons for the first are rendered largely moot. In other words, even marriage were relegated to religious institutions, or left up to the individual, the fact that federal, state, local and government-regulated private benefits all exist based on that status means that (one of the) the core objection(s) remains.
117 posted on 07/14/2004 10:33:18 AM PDT by babyface00
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To: goldstategop

Well, I am worried the approach is " we tried, but it's impossible given the numbers.'' The longer Republicans fumble, the more the public will come to believe it's something they have to accept, whether the like it personally or not. That's the way it works.


118 posted on 07/14/2004 10:33:18 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Aquinasfan
Again, this bears repeated.

SOMEBODY CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG HERE....

that....

THE TWO NO-SHOW SENATE VOTES JUST NOW ON THIS IMPORTANT ISSUE WERE....****KERRY AND EDWARDS**** (???)

119 posted on 07/14/2004 10:33:26 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (***Since The Iraq War & Transition Period Began, NORTH KOREA HAS MANUFACTURED (8) NUCLEAR WEAPONS***)
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To: Kahonek
Actually, I guess it was Edwards who spoke and didn't stay. Kerry didn't show up at all, so neither of them voted. That was why it was 48-50, rather than 48-52.

He showed up and didn't vote?????

120 posted on 07/14/2004 10:34:47 AM PDT by Mo1
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