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Suckers for a detox in the Chinese tradition (Useless celebrity fad exposed)
The Telegraph ^ | June 10, 2004 | Matt Born

Posted on 07/10/2004 12:38:30 PM PDT by Stoat

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To: Slings and Arrows

Yeah, ya'll. Another goofy "treatment" currently making
the rounds is the "foot soak" machine that supposedly
pulls the toxins out of the body. Our chiropractor has
invested in those things and was pushing the treatments the
last time we were in her office. I know she is sincere,
but has been sold a bill of goods. I looked it up on the
internet and it has been exposed as a scam. The machine
itself produces the scary colored "toxins" after your feet
stay in it for 15 or 20 minutes. Brown, yellow green gooky
looking stuff comes out into the water, but it is not
coming from the pores of the feet. It has something to do
with the type of material the thing is made of. In fact,
I think it would be interesting to run the thing with no
one's feet in it and watch it produce "toxins" out of thin
air. I want to tell her about this, but I don't know how
to go about it.


21 posted on 07/10/2004 3:55:11 PM PDT by Twinkie
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To: Slings and Arrows

That's a great article; thanks for posting :-)


22 posted on 07/10/2004 3:57:18 PM PDT by Stoat
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To: Stoat

My pleasure. Skepdic.com is great for debunking junk science.


23 posted on 07/10/2004 4:03:09 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (Am Yisrael Chai!)
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To: Twinkie

Of the few chiropractors that I have met, one thing that they held in common was a sincere belief that the mainstream medical community was an entirely corrupt cabal intent on preventing "alternative, traditional and other worthwhile" approaches from gaining acceptance.

This ideology of perceived institutional opression will quite likely prevent your chiropractor from listening to dissenting views, unfortunately.

Although I have come to believe that the AMA has morphed into a labor union much like any other, I still have faith that most good (mainstream) doctors will seriously entertain considering the validity of new treatments that hold promise in the curing of sickness and disease and the reduction and elimination of pain. They wil, however, be wanting to see scientific proof first.


24 posted on 07/10/2004 4:09:31 PM PDT by Stoat
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To: Stoat

I have a degree in Natropathic Medicine (I kid you not). I worked with a Psychiatrist as his office manager but also a therapist for Stress Relief. I studied Irodology, Massage, Reflexology and Nutritional Medicine to get my degree. I truly believe (as did my boss) that stress can cause many symptoms. Of everything that I studied, I worked with Massage and Reflexology and only for stress. Sometimes telling people to better their diet, however I was supervised by a medical doctor. I believe many of the things I studied were bunk.


25 posted on 07/10/2004 4:59:03 PM PDT by netmilsmom ("We haven't begun military action. the world will know when we do." -Marine in Fallujah)
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To: netmilsmom

Stress can definitely cause many symptoms, as can a poor diet. These are solidly supported truths based upon clearly and easily definable physiological actions.

Although I'm sorry to hear that you've invested so much time and work in a field that you have now apparently lost much of your faith in, I'm hoping that a silver lining can be found. Sometimes the best lessons that we learn in life are the ones that are the most painful, time consuming and costly. Your studies in these areas will undoubtely be helpful in understanding the truths in many unrelated areas in the future.

You also have reason to be happy, in that you unlike many others, have found Truth. There are millions of people who go through their lives completely smitten by a particular fad, fashion or belief and never see the sunlight.
There are many old Marxist/Leninists who have gone to their graves honestly believing that "Uncle Joe" Stalin was a truly good man and that the famines of the Soviet era were entirely "Capitalist propaganda".


26 posted on 07/10/2004 5:13:32 PM PDT by Stoat
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To: netmilsmom

excellent :)


27 posted on 07/10/2004 5:18:48 PM PDT by cyborg
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To: Stoat

An all or nothing approach isn't much good for anything. I work in the 'alternative health' industry and do take A LOT of time to educate myself and pass on good information to customers. People should ALWAYS educate themselves whether it's alternative therapies or western medicine.


28 posted on 07/10/2004 5:22:23 PM PDT by cyborg
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To: Slings and Arrows

and debunking satan *lol* (michael moore should be in there)

http://www.skepdic.com/satan.html


29 posted on 07/10/2004 5:25:41 PM PDT by cyborg
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To: cyborg

I hope that I didn't imply that an "all or nothing" approach is the only way. I'm merely advocating the clear distinction of things that are supported by science and those that are not.
I'm merely fearful that when a high-profile celebrity such as Gwynneth Paltrow goes out of her way to publicly endorse something like "cupping", that many desperate people who have chronic illnesses will consider it to be on an equal scientific footing as Magnetic Resonance Imaging or Penicillin.
As you say, everyone should educate themselves as much as possible regarding their treatments; I agree completely.


30 posted on 07/10/2004 5:31:32 PM PDT by Stoat
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To: Stoat

Nope I didn't get that from your post. Just thinking out loud about some of my customers who had really bad experiences with doctors. They will accept almost anything BUT traditional medicine. I have some customers, one with hep C, one with AIDS and one with acute lymphoma who refuse to see a doctor further no matter what I say. Hence I have also a medical library because otherwise they'll go to a complete quack and at least I'm an educated quack ;-)

One experience is a client who called me and asked me if I had anything for a cough for a little kid. When I heard the kid, I told her get him to a hospital because it was whopping cough and it was such as. I don't know if she did take him. From the tone of her voice, sounded like she probably didn't. Oh well.


31 posted on 07/10/2004 5:40:39 PM PDT by cyborg
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To: Stoat

>>Although I'm sorry to hear that you've invested so much time and work in a field that you have now apparently lost much of your faith in, I'm hoping that a silver lining can be found. <<

Oh don't feel sorry for me! I gave it all up for the best job in the world, wife and mother. Now only Dad gets foot massages!


32 posted on 07/10/2004 6:00:17 PM PDT by netmilsmom ("We haven't begun military action. the world will know when we do." -Marine in Fallujah)
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To: cyborg

I guess I should advertise as the resident Reflexologist!
If you need a foot massage, you know where to find me....;-)


33 posted on 07/10/2004 6:03:52 PM PDT by netmilsmom ("We haven't begun military action. the world will know when we do." -Marine in Fallujah)
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To: Stoat
freedom from bloating,

Works for me, I don't seem to fart much anymore either.....

34 posted on 07/10/2004 6:10:08 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (After 30+ years dealing with idiots, I still haven't earned the right to just shoot them.....)
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To: Hot Tabasco

heh


35 posted on 07/10/2004 6:13:46 PM PDT by cyborg
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To: netmilsmom

Better be careful, the FR horny brigade may take you up on that offer ;-)


36 posted on 07/10/2004 6:15:19 PM PDT by cyborg
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To: cyborg

To all those reading, this offer was to Cyborg only. My boss (Dad) will have to approve all other customers.

(do you think that will cover it or make it worse?)


37 posted on 07/10/2004 6:27:08 PM PDT by netmilsmom ("We haven't begun military action. the world will know when we do." -Marine in Fallujah)
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To: netmilsmom

hehehe I think you're safe :)


38 posted on 07/10/2004 6:36:26 PM PDT by cyborg
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To: netmilsmom; workerbee; Stoat; Slings and Arrows; koolaidsmile; mfulstone; IronJack; OSHA; jamaly

Here's my 20 year study on a large and multi-cultured/national family:
Chiropractic: for back pain. Get an old, simple chiropractor who doesn't belong to 'network chiropractic' and doesn't suggest opting out of vaccinations!
Accupuncture: No real results, subtle help with some vague problems, ie: weight loss, smoking.
Homeopathy: Worked wonders on a small percentage of children, chronic ear infection, overexcitement. Otherwise, no noticable effects.
Naturopathy: Definately the first thing to do, healthy diet and natural supplement regime. Basic health and circulation issues. If serious illness, must follow Dr. orders. (like at any point if possible surgery is recommended, follow up!)
Cupping: miraculous, ancient technique for respiratory problems. (Ask your old grammas, they'll fess up if you don't act like you think they're nuts)
Osteopathy: Very effective for pain treatment, seems a little weirder than chiropractic, but if you can let go, the technique makes sense, and only a few appointments are needed.
Here's for some specialised advice:
VBAC? Get an Irish Dr. (highest rate in the world)
Infertility? if over 40 MUST go to a Dr. specialising in that age group.
Chronic back pain? If nothing else works, x-ray may show noticable difference in leg length, custom insoles may help.
Eyes burning? sensitivity to light? Difficulty focusing?May need seances of reeducation of muscles, not glasses.


39 posted on 07/10/2004 11:29:17 PM PDT by Sarah
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To: cyborg

ping to above post


40 posted on 07/10/2004 11:32:17 PM PDT by Sarah
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