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THE LIGHTS ARE GOING OUT
NROTC ^ | 7/2/04 | John Derbyshire

Posted on 07/02/2004 3:15:09 PM PDT by swilhelm73

THE LIGHTS ARE GOING OUT [John Derbyshire] A Pentecostalist pastor in Sweden has been sentenced to one month in jail for criticizing homosexuality in a sermon. Story here.

Sweden today, the USA tomorrow. I see from the current HUMAN EVENTS that a "hate crime" amendment was slipped into the Defense Authorization Bill (S. 2400) to add homosexuals to the list of protected classes of citizens under U.S. civil rights law. This follows relentless lobbying from groups with innocuous, deliberately deceptive names like "Human Rights Campaign." Naturally the amendment passed the Senate by a landslide: "Eighteen Republicans and all Democrats present voted in favor."

Crimes are crimes--these “hate crimes” laws are aimed at censoring speech, protecting people from feeling offended--something quite subjective. We are losing our ancient liberties, ladies and gentleman, and the political classes, regardless of party, are perfectly OK with it. Posted at 12:25 PM


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: atheism; catholiclist; christianity; churchandstate; derbyshire; freespeech; goodvsevil; hedonism; homosexualagenda; homosexualbehavior; pastor; romans1; secularhumanism; spiritualbattle; sweden; wagesofsin
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And so freedom of thought comes to an end in Sweden.
1 posted on 07/02/2004 3:15:09 PM PDT by swilhelm73
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To: swilhelm73

Consider the source. Derbyshire is a self-congratulating homophobe.


2 posted on 07/02/2004 3:18:00 PM PDT by annyokie (There are two sides to every argument, but I'm too busy to listen to yours.)
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Agree or disagree with what the minister in question said...but he should have the right to say it; both as freedom of religion and freedom of speech.

The first amendment of our Constitution covers exactly these inherent human freedoms. The benighted Swedes, however, obviously do not.


3 posted on 07/02/2004 3:21:24 PM PDT by swilhelm73 (We always have been, we are, and I hope that we always shall be detested in France.")
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To: swilhelm73

It's Sweden, already. Home of blonde furniture and blonder natives.

Their views should be expected to by quite blonde, as well.

The good pastor knew the lid he was prying off on public policy when he said it.


4 posted on 07/02/2004 3:23:51 PM PDT by annyokie (There are two sides to every argument, but I'm too busy to listen to yours.)
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I would debate that but...(There are two sides to every argument, but I'm too busy to listen to yours.)

FMCDH(BITS)

5 posted on 07/02/2004 3:25:06 PM PDT by nothingnew (KERRY: "If at first you don't deceive, lie, lie again!")
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To: nothingnew

Oh, be a sport. It's an old tagline.


6 posted on 07/02/2004 3:26:07 PM PDT by annyokie (There are two sides to every argument, but I'm too busy to listen to yours.)
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To: swilhelm73

Are there appeals to higher courts there?


7 posted on 07/02/2004 3:27:15 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: swilhelm73

We will have to defend those rights with a rifle here in this country before too long. The courts aren't exactly on our side. No one should allow themselves to be arrested for simply stating the truth - or even an opinion that someone else with a thin skin happens not to like.


8 posted on 07/02/2004 3:27:37 PM PDT by Noumenon (Ronaldus Magnus - only lesser men have followed in his footsteps.)
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To: annyokie
So what...? Homophobe or not, someone's been sentenced for expressing a Biblical view of homosexuality.

The US is 5-7 years behind Sweden in social/cultural norms.....

9 posted on 07/02/2004 3:28:29 PM PDT by freebilly (Vote Kerry-- 1 Billion Muslims Can't Be Wrong....)
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To: annyokie
So much for freedomn of speech. Or religion.

Clearly you prefer to engage in ad hominems ("homophobe")rather than debate the substance of the subject.

10 posted on 07/02/2004 3:29:08 PM PDT by The Iguana
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The US is 5-7 years behind Sweden in social/cultural norms..... Hardly.
11 posted on 07/02/2004 3:30:36 PM PDT by annyokie (There are two sides to every argument, but I'm too busy to listen to yours.)
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To: The Iguana

My point is: John Derbyshire exults in homosexual bashing. Indeed, to such an extent that he seeks out odd articles from Scotland and such to make his gleeful points.

I think he has unresolved issues of his own. His happy recountings of his boarding school days in the UK, not withstanding.


12 posted on 07/02/2004 3:32:44 PM PDT by annyokie (There are two sides to every argument, but I'm too busy to listen to yours.)
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Consider that "homophobe" is an invention of homosexual activists and means whatever they take it to mean at the moment. As we speak some Muslim leader is calling gays scum, and the Swedish authorities are averting their gaze carefully. Christians are an insignificant minority; Muslims are a growing threat to the peace and so much be treated gingerly.


13 posted on 07/02/2004 3:35:35 PM PDT by RobbyS
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Hardly? Swedish couples stopped marrying, even after children were born, about a decade ago. That trend has gathered momentum here in the US over the past couple of years as well as our Swedenistic move towards socialism....


14 posted on 07/02/2004 3:37:15 PM PDT by freebilly (Vote Kerry-- 1 Billion Muslims Can't Be Wrong....)
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To: annyokie

Or maybe he just think that gays are prigs of an especially annoying type, who find offense everywhere. Oh, this is called paranoia, isn't it!


15 posted on 07/02/2004 3:38:42 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: swilhelm73

Freedom sure can be detrimental to one's freedom can't it?....


16 posted on 07/02/2004 3:41:18 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: swilhelm73
Crimes are crimes

When ludafisk is outlawed, only ludafisk eaters will be outlaws.

17 posted on 07/02/2004 3:45:19 PM PDT by EGPWS
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The means and content of Derbyshire's 'exultations' on homosexual-related topics aren't the issue at all for those of us concerned with the jailing of this minister.

So, if you have a fair or even unfair problem with Derbyshire, you're entitled to express it without fear of being jailed. Persons with fair or unfair problems with persons of other races, genders, sexual preference, etc. must fear being jailed, at least in Sweden.

And I don't believe that's a good thing.

Certainly those who incite violence against others at a level that can be proven can be jailed, and I think that fair -- but I'm not close to being convinced that standard was met here.


18 posted on 07/02/2004 3:48:57 PM PDT by ER_in_OC,CA
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To: ER_in_OC,CA

The minister in question specifically did not incite violence.

As the charge against him said he "offended" with his speech and that's it.


19 posted on 07/02/2004 3:50:14 PM PDT by swilhelm73 (We always have been, we are, and I hope that we always shall be detested in France.")
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Fortuneately, there NEVER will be limits on the nasty things you can say about whites, Christians, middle-class folks and Americans. The normalphobes have won the fairies issue and aside from fairy priests and the parents of the deviants, themselves (we all love our children and place the blame for their failures and weaknesses on external issues), I still don't understand what constituencies had enough clout to have accomplished this.

But, in Sweden, assume I'm walking along with my 12 year old son, Lars, a fine young man and some obvious tinkerbell walks up and asks to "play" with Lars. I refuse, some discussion takes place and he calls a cop and charges me with offending him by not giving him "access" (whatever that means in faggot) to my son. Where did these deviants get this kind of power? Who is supporting them and why? Are there forces at work that we don't see or understand?

20 posted on 07/02/2004 3:50:51 PM PDT by Tacis (,)
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