Fahrenheit 9-11, So What?

Human Events ^ | June 29, 2004 | Michael P. Tremoglie

[Paradox]

This is a pretty good start. I would like to see an in depth refutation of Moores movie however. Something to print out and give to members of my family who are probably going to see the movie.

[libertylover]

The movie apparently has about the same intellectual honesty of a Josef Goebbels's film, so it's scary that so many Americans would even want see such a film. They hate Bush and the Conservatives more than they love America, all based on a pack of lies. Sigh.

[stevem]

This is an excellent outline, at least I think it's an outline. I will never know first hand because I will never waste a minute watching a Moore film. As for in depth refutation, my guess is it's pointless. Folks that look on this as a documentary are so twisted with hatred for Bush and the United States that there isn't any basis for discussion with them.

The only worth while way I have ever come up with for discourse with them is to look at them over the top of my glasses and say, "OK." Then I move on.

That's not the entire truth as I sometimes explain how dense they sound. Yet the "OK" response is somehow more satisfying.

[WhiteGuy]

So What?

EXACTLY!

[alwaysconservative]

Bump and thanks for posting this excellent article that hits the highlights of the idiocy of the movie and its adherants! I especially like this line: "Liberals are the self-righteous, led by the self-serving, for the benefit of the self-interested." That's a keeper!

[Hill Street Blues]

Yes Tremoglie is an excellent writer. He has been working on a novel or several years now. I cannot wait until it is published.

[I-spy-guy]

Bump thx

[driftless]

But there are a few so-called conservatives on this site who felt that we have not responded to the "legitimate" allegations in Moore's peice of garbage. So to them someone merely making a list of accusations proves them right if we don't respond fast enough to those accusations. The question is how could anybody but a deluded liberal believe anything Moore says about anything!?!?? The onus is on the libs and Moore to provide evidence for their allegations. Moore is a skilled movie maked dealing in fantasy. Truth is something he has no acquaintance with. I know I'm urinating into the wind expecting Big Media to examine Moore's "work" honestly. But it appears a number of right-wingers have swallowed his garbage.

[PogySailor]

Facts never matter to Moore or his audience. They both dwell in a paranoid parallel universe. They are emblematic of those to whom Orwell referred when (paraphrasing) he said that only an intellectual could believe such lies, any normal person knew it was not the truth.

Great post. My only disagreement is that IMHO Moore doesn't believe the crap he's selling. He IS a snake oil salesman. He knows he has found a rich vein of suckers that will buy his garbage. He's laughing all the way to the bank.

[alwaysconservative]

Good to hear that! I'll be looking forward to reading it.

[FBD]

^ bmp

[expatguy]

When a reporter or anyone for that matter feels it is of some paramount importance to go through Moore's propaganda with a fine-tooth comb and point out what is true and what is not, then sadly you have already taken the bait.

There is no relevance as to whether Moore is truthful or not. If you can't see that then you have no real understanding of what he is about.

Moore is not stupid, far from it, he is cunningly brilliant. He has found his calling and has become a narcissistic self-proclaimed prophet of the sheeple whom he would unwittingly lead to the slaughter given the opportunity.

In our 'Information Age' he represents a real danger and an evil that the world has once seen before in the likes of Adolph Hitler.

[Dudoight]

Moore doesn't make documentaries, he makes f**kumentaries. I know that is vulgar and I apologize for it, but it fits.

[Hill Street Blues]

You are contradicting yourself. You say the film should not be reviewed and criticized because that is taking the bait. Then you say how dangerous he is.

If he is as dangerous as you say ignoring him is not going to make it go away. Your statement is a non sequitur

[The Sons of Liberty]

"Iraqis, Seeking Foes of Saudis, Contacted bin Laden, File Says," undermines one of the movie's claims--Bush lied about a link between Osama bin Laden and Iraq.

I've found that liberals don't let the facts stand in the way of their cockeyed beliefs.

[tm22721]

The danger is all too real that swing voters will be deeply affected by this 'propumentary' as Rush describes it.

Moore is a monster who rises out of the Hollywood slime; he is a danger that Republicans are defenseless against, just as the liberals can't counter Rush.

BUMP

[bigghurtt]

indeed.

[Dane]

Very good outline of moore's lies.

[wildwood]

did you read "all hail moore" by david brooks on the nyt website? it's pretty good.