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Stifling freedom (Great Read!)
Washington Times ^ | 6/26/04 | Washington Times

Posted on 06/26/2004 1:02:53 PM PDT by wagglebee

Edited on 07/12/2004 3:42:30 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Over the past few years, the American Civil Liberties Union has intensified its attacks on religious symbols throughout America, arguing that religious activities or symbols that are implicitly or explicitly sanctioned by the government are prohibited by the Establishment Clause of the U.S. Constitution. From local communities that display nativity scenes to city seals that bear religious insignia, no public display of religion is exempt. Most recently, the ACLU has targeted the Los Angeles County seal, which bears an image of the cross. The ACLU seems to aim at nothing short of a complete eradication of religion from the public sphere.


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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 1stamendment; aclu; churchandstate; cross; freedomofreligion; losangeles; publicsquare; purge; religiousexpression
The ACLU's war against religion reveals the unfortunate twist that Establishment Clause jurisprudence has taken in recent years. Instead of being read to restrain government, the way the founders intended, it's instead read as a restriction on religion.

The left will never, ever understand this.

1 posted on 06/26/2004 1:02:53 PM PDT by wagglebee
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To: wagglebee
no public display of religion is exempt

Unless it's pagan, of course.

The left will never, ever understand this.

The question is will the majority take this lying down. So far, yes, sadly.

2 posted on 06/26/2004 1:12:11 PM PDT by Mister Baredog ((Part of the Reagan legacy is to re-elect G.W. Bush))
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To: Mister Baredog
no public display of religion is exempt

Unless it's pagan, of course.

Or Muslim!

3 posted on 06/26/2004 1:14:35 PM PDT by wagglebee
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To: wagglebee

Today we are worried about the ACLU's war on religion in the public places, but once they acheive their goal does anyone think they will stop until they eliminate religion in private? These depraved monsters are the same God-haters who crucified the Lord.


4 posted on 06/26/2004 1:54:21 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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These depraved monsters are the same God-haters who crucified the Lord.

Agreed.

5 posted on 06/26/2004 1:56:50 PM PDT by wagglebee
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It is not just crosses and creches. I found the Memo-Gate revelations to be a real eye-opener. The power the ACLU commands over the congressional democrats is downright shocking, the revealed memos show them ordering democrat senators around like bellhops. These people literally swagger the halls and committee rooms of the Capitol, openly boasting that there is no law that Congress can pass and the President sign that they cannot find a friendly judge to strike down. This has gone far beyond a mere constitutional irritation, i.e. something one has to put up with in the name of democracy. This has grown into an outright threat to the democratic process and is of a piece with out-of-control judicial activism. I heard Jay Sekulow prattling away on WAVA about the latest skirmish in Los Angeles but it's not ONLY about our Judeo-Christian heritage and it's not ONLY about a plaque in East Podunk or a crucifix at Plainfield High. This involves just about every issue that the Left has an agenda on at the local, state AND national level.

I don't often hear of the ACLU sponsoring legislation but I do hear about them striking it down (and now we have an idea how much of this takes place out of sight of the cameras). One thing is for dead certain: these people are fanatics and like all Jihadists of whatever stripe they cannot be reasoned with, they cannot be compromised with and they cannot be appeased. There is only one thing lefties respect and it ain't turning the other cheek.

I learned from following the gun rights issue over the past twenty or so years that if you fight a strictly defensive battle you WILL lose. Maybe sooner, maybe later, but if all you do is yield ground rather than take it then inch-by-inch you end up with nothing. It was not until the NRA and their various and assorted allies started taking the initiative with such issues as the "shall-issue" permits (beginning with FL in the late eighties) and mandatory sentencing for handgun crimes (beginning with "Project Exile" in Richmond, VA in the early nineties) and not being afraid to unabashedly sell the 2nd amendement as a fundamental right for ALL americans to safeguard our freedoms (rather than as merely a right to go duck hunting) that gun control came to be seen as a surefire loser for democrat politicians.

The point is that I've heard enough conservative whining. What can be done to carry the war TO the enemy rather than continually reacting to his thrusts. Can THEY be sued? Do they get taxpayer dollars? Are there legislative loopholes that can be closed on them? Lobbying laws that they're in violation of? Surely, someone out there has drafted a blueprint for how to take them on, in the law, the legislatures and the court of public opinion.


6 posted on 06/26/2004 2:15:15 PM PDT by sinanju
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To: wagglebee

The ACLU is not an abstract entity. It is names and faces.
Every prominent member of the ACLU should be a household name instantly recognizable by all.
Everyone should get to know their names and faces more intimately.
Names and faces.


7 posted on 06/26/2004 2:36:36 PM PDT by wolficatZ (_><))))*>__\0/__<*((((><__"ABBOTT!!!!"__)
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Yes!


8 posted on 06/26/2004 5:49:00 PM PDT by PGalt
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"This involves just about every issue that the Left has an agenda on at the local, state AND national level"

This is the key. The ACLU is just the tool which activates the judicial activism. Like in tandem. Like the libs/socialists have been planning on this.

They're even plunging ahead faster and louder because of the upcoming election. I believe they can see the writing on the wall .. they don't like it .. but I do think they see it.

If Bush get's re-elected and it happens to be by the landslide which I'm predicting, the dems will be out of power for about 40-50 years. That should give us time to rectify some of their major messes .. primarily replacing judges with those who follow the Constitution and not the democrat party.


9 posted on 06/26/2004 10:46:01 PM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: a core set of principles from which he will not deviate)
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