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To: davisfh
We stay silent because we see these people as beyond redemption anyway. We're not supposed to behave that way but there comes a time when Christians simply have to face reality.

Although I believe in staying in the fight, I think you're right on. I've come to that conclusion sometime between 9-11 and 2003 with the opening of the flood gates on homosexual marriage in Canada and here in the U.S. To me, the rabid left who are proud to flaunt their libertine ways and gross deviancy, well, my conclusion is these people are dead, dead spiritually, morally/ethically, and mentally. Not even God can help these people, although I doubt doubt His powers at all, but extreme liberalism is a mental disorder (thanks Michael Savage) and just like with a drug/alcohol problem, the first step to redemption is to wake up and recognize the problem. I'm afraid these wackos are still in the starting gate and cannot even get to square one. I hope one day some of them, even a small number of them will realize that, but I don't hold much hope for them. Sometimes trying to convert these people, well, spending time trying to benchpress the front end of Mom's Hyundai and/or moving the City/County Building in downtown Pittsburgh brick by brick would be a better use of my time. B-P

I see maybe two things coming:

1. People like us will say enough is enough and just tell the libertines to "go fly a kite" and set things right again.

2. The United States as we know it will collapse, maybe due to economic conditions although the decline of morals plays a part in it. Either we will break up, and the libertines take a few states and go their way and we go ours, or we kick them out to Uganda or somewhere, or maybe the Red Chinese or Islamo-Fascists blow us up, the third maybe being another catalyst. Then after, hopefully, people like us will rise like a Phoenix from the ashes and put things right again. Maybe this is the best option, sometimes I wonder that, sort of like when your computer starts acting funny and slowing down, you need a reboot to put things right. I don't know.

I think we do need to fight the good fight, hopefully take back America or at least make the crash landing a bit less painful and go from there.
86 posted on 06/23/2004 9:10:43 AM PDT by Nowhere Man ("Laws are the spider webs through which the big bugs fly past and the little ones get caught.")
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To: Nowhere Man
I see maybe two things coming:

You ignored the most likely scenario: life will go on as always and about a decade from now, we'll all realize that this gay marriage thing never really made a difference in society, one way or another.

110 posted on 06/23/2004 10:33:24 AM PDT by Modernman ("I don't care to belong to a club that accepts people like me as members" -Groucho Marx)
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To: Nowhere Man
Very well said. I don't see anything here that I can really disagree with though I do hope that you're wrong about our collapse.

I take some comfort in the fact that we tend to see all of the bad and sometimes overlook the good. Believe it or not, there are many good people out there and they're not as visible as the bad.

125 posted on 06/23/2004 10:55:57 AM PDT by davisfh
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