Posted on 06/21/2004 9:06:30 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback
Men give love in exchange for sex.
Women give sex in exchange for love.
The Dutch are scum with legalised drugs, gayy "marriages", abortions (and an Abortion ship trying to murder babies all over the world), euthanasia. If you ever get a chance to go to Amsterdam, don't -- it's a dirty scuzzy place and it's main square, called the Damm square lives up to its name
There was an article that said that 1/3rd of all dogs in Sweden are abused.
Well said.
Yeah, those scum. I'll bet that the whole Dutch guvmint is rife with Southern Baptists. ;-)
If your wrists don't hurt too much from throwing that elephant, perhaps you'd like to back that up?
Ping.
I didn't put any words in your mouth, you did. Here's a tip: The next time you post about what somebody else might do, don't describe their situation in the first person without any "this isn't me" disclaimer. That way you won't have to whine about it later.
My statement is that pointing to Gay Marriage and saying 'That is the cause' is pre-mature. Other social structures have changed, for example pre-maritial sex is now socially acceptable, where it was much less accepted 40 years ago.
Yes, your point was clear. It was also clearly refuted. As I said, the author wasn't comparing the Holland of 40 years ago with the Holland of today, he was comparing Dutch people who shacked up prior to gay marriage to Dutch people who shacked up after gay marriage.
Now for the personal attacks section, please grow up.
Here's what I posted about your first-person example. Find the ad hominem in it for me, would you please?
Why would any sane woman risk having sex (especially on a regular basis) with a man who has expressed the views you have? If she ends up pregnant, you "just move on with your life" and she ends up holding the bag? Not even paying child support?
Kudos on your post, and your attitude toward marriage.
Very nice! Good points.
If you're right, then I'm the one guy out of ten.
Now, don't get me wrong, Rambette is a fine specimen of womanhood and I would have married her if either of us wanted kids, but one of the reasons I was looking for a wife in the first place was to become a father.
Agreed.
Which leads us to...
Silverback's Law of Marriage and Reproduction:
If one partner wants a large gaggle of children and the other wants a small number, they will either compromise or one will change their mind. If one partner wants any number and the other wants zero, they are almost certainly doomed from the start and should never, ever, get married.
either=neither
Spot on.
Oh, sorry, but it sure sounded like you were speaking from first-hand experience. My apologies!
When faith leaves, you have a lot of folks with no moral compasses, meaning more selfish behavior and less committment behavior. Those "lukewarm" folks I'm guessing are the more selfish type, particularly if the other person involved considers themselves to be in a "love" relationship.
When "stuff" becomes more important than the relationship itself, that's selfish behavior, and the relationship is doomed, no matter what the feelings.
I think the more liberal the country becomes, the more selfish everyone gets, and its impact on marriage is horrible.
"Gay" marriage is just an addition to the general moral decline. I think it's a good indication of how messed up people are.
That's a fairly straightforward point to argue.
First off, neither I, nor anyone I know would argue against paying for child support. The child needs to be provided for financially. No arguement there at all. This is the responsibility of the father. However, there are some men who do not want to be the 'father'. They do not want the responsiblity, and no one has the right to force them to assume this. That would be cruel to the father, as well as the child.
That said, let's look into the decision tree, shall we?
Who decides to have sex? Assume mutual decision (lest it be called rape).
If pregnancy occurs, who decides if the pregnancy will be terminated? The woman has 100% control, the man can neither approve, or prevent this.
Child is delivered full term, the choice is now 'adoption' (man is off the financial hook) or the woman may chose to keep the child. At this point in time, the woman has 100% control of the financial obligations of the father. She may either give the child up, or she may chose to raise it herself. The man has NO control over this decision. If he doesn't want to be involved in the child's life (this is his decision), his choice is to adopt the child himself (and pay 100% of the child rearing costs) or see if the woman wants to raise the child.
Assume the woman decides to raise the child, she may live anywhere she likes, and deny visitation (and the courts are FULL of cases just like this). She may decide to raise the child for 17 yrs. and 363 days by herself; then hit the father for 18 years of back-child support (again, this has happened before).
I'm certain you are well aware of how men fare in custody cases? So, do we need to discuss those?
The woman gets to make nearly every decision, with regard to if, when, how and where the child will be raised. The man get's no input whatsoever. He's just a paycheck.
Now, couple this set of facts with the already unfair divorce laws; and ask youself again why many men are chosing never to marry.
When you consider the ramifications inherent in marriage and children; you can understand why men are chosing to get a vasectomy while in their 20's, and delay marrying. Many men who have been married, are eagerly coaching younger men on how to avoid the pratfalls they have suffered. I know a few people who are paying ~$500/month for a child, and they do not even know where the child is living. All they know is that the child support payment is deducted from their bank account each month. Thier situation is not at all uncommon.
The homosexual marriage advocates' true objective has never been the legalization homosexual marriage, but rather the elimination of heterosexual marriage.
Good for you we need more real men like you. I hope your wife is nice to you.
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