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DISCORSO DEL SANTO PADRE (Text Of Pope John Paul II Speech)
The Vatican ^
| 6/04/2004
| Vatican News Services
Posted on 06/04/2004 4:39:07 AM PDT by monkapotamus
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To: monkapotamus
In short, the Pope said nothing of importance. Pro forma good wishes to all, a reminder that he doesn't have a clue anymore (reiterating all of his opposition to the war) and plugging the UN.
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posted on
06/04/2004 4:47:12 AM PDT
by
CatoRenasci
(Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
To: monkapotamus
I send my regards to President Reagan and to Mrs. Reagan, who is so attentive to him in his illness. This is especially poignant since he is probably looking into his future.
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posted on
06/04/2004 4:59:49 AM PDT
by
Aquinasfan
(Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
To: CatoRenasci
I understand how you can be impacted by the Pope and accept your analysis as honest and well meaning. However, many Catholics, including self, probably hear a different message and are very inspired by the Pope. He is above gamesmanship and politics. I hope Kerry begins to listen to him someday. I also felt that he acknowledged the reality of war and the addition of Israel as part of the problems and issues with Iraq was well said. Please don't think I am being critical of your opinion. I think your observations are very important.
God Bless America
To: SpeakingUp
Although I have serious issues with his rejection of capitalism (which I attribute to ignorance of economics, and traditional Church hostility to capitalism) and promotion of a vapid socialism, this Pope did great good for the Faith and the world in the early, vigorous years of his Pontificate. As you say, he has been a great inspiration.
That said, he is now clearly not in charge and, what is truly sad, does not have a clue at the threat posed by radical and even 'ordinary' islam to the West and to Christianity. In that sense, he aids and comforts those Europeans who seek to undermine the United States, when he does not explicitly stand with them, as he has (or has allowed his minions to position him) done in opposing the Iraq war. I wish him well, beatification, even sainthood in the fullness of time, but I do wish him to step down before he does more harm to the Church and Christendom.
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posted on
06/04/2004 5:37:17 AM PDT
by
CatoRenasci
(Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
To: CatoRenasci
In the past few weeks other deplorable events have come to light...... Do you think he is referring to additional terror attacks or Abu Ghraib? I say the later.
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posted on
06/04/2004 5:40:49 AM PDT
by
alisasny
(SMARTY JONES FOR SECRETARY OF OFFENSE)
To: CatoRenasci
There are many good voices on the issues you raise. There are too few good voices on the issues the Pope raises. I hear your concerns and I also hear his message. I also share with you the need for a firm hand and a steady course to deal with the reality of the threats to our nation.
To: SpeakingUp
There are too few good voices on the issues the Pope raises. Just which issues do you have in mind? He is completely wrong on the war on terror, completely wrong on capitalism, completely ineffectual on homosexuals in the priesthood and child abuse, completely indifferent (in deed) to the slaughter of Christians by moslems in the Sudan, Indonesia and elsewhere, completely wrong in his support for the Palestinians who would destroy Israel (btw I am NOT jewish). In all of these areas, he his not taking a courageous path, or voicing that which is not already trumpeted from the leftwing European press. He is following the path of least resistance guided by advisors who place their own political power above spiritual matters and who hate America.
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posted on
06/04/2004 5:52:01 AM PDT
by
CatoRenasci
(Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
Comment #9 Removed by Moderator
To: CatoRenasci
I had no intention to start an argument. I am inspired and that works for me. If you want to argue the many points you refer to, I am the wrong person to ask. BTW, I am Catholic and I have served in the military as has my son whom I encouraged to do so. I am not anti war and I am very aware of the the horrible conditions you outline.
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posted on
06/04/2004 5:57:11 AM PDT
by
SpeakingUp
(Inspired by the Pope)
To: monkapotamus
Thank you for posting this
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posted on
06/04/2004 6:03:15 AM PDT
by
firewalk
To: SpeakingUp
Sorry, I didn't mean to start an argument, either. It is good to be inspired by men of faith. I was (am) genuinely curious which issue you believe the Holy Father speaks to on which there are few good voices.
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posted on
06/04/2004 6:03:27 AM PDT
by
CatoRenasci
(Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
To: CatoRenasci
Faith and morals, the need to pray, God's 10 commandments, respect for others. While not mentioned in every speech he makes, they are of great inspiration to me. I am not expecting him to be a general. I don't look to the Pope for political guidance or strategy. I think we have had sufficient generals and politicians over the past many years and we are still in deep trouble in this world. I look to the Pope for inspiration on things of the next world. I look to others for guidance in the worldly affairs. I also realize that the world is very dangerous and would be far better off if we all obeyed the simple tenants of Judeo Christian Law but I know that having only part of the world following the laws is not effective. I know you don't want to argue too. We probably could not find enough differences anyway.
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posted on
06/04/2004 6:18:35 AM PDT
by
SpeakingUp
(Inspired by the Pope)
To: seamole
I had to read your comment many times to fully appreciate the line about cynicism. Very well said if I am reading that the Inconvenient translates to the Unborn.
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To: Mrs Zip; BOBWADE
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posted on
06/04/2004 6:37:36 AM PDT
by
zip
(Remember: DimocRat lies told often enough became truth to 42% of americans)
To: SpeakingUp
I cannot disagree with anything in your post. My 'beef,' if you will, is when the Holy Father (or those who now manipulate him) goes beyond matters of Faith and Morals to what seem to me matters of politics or strategy.
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posted on
06/04/2004 6:47:51 AM PDT
by
CatoRenasci
(Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
To: monkapotamus; Aquinasfan
Can some Catholic help this poor Episcopalian girl understand something? (AquinasFan, I have it in my head from your nick that you're Catholic. If not, apologies.)
Why does the Pope have to DIE in office? Why can't he step down? I know about tradition, and I'm also pretty familiar with the schism and Avignon and all that, but in 2004 it seems we could do better than adhering to a tradition that requires one poor man hold an office beyond incapacitation to death.
John Paul II has served his faith well. It's well past time for him to retire and rest.
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posted on
06/04/2004 6:50:24 AM PDT
by
Xenalyte
(Cedar lattice . . . works every time.)
To: CatoRenasci
Actually, the Pope's encyclical Centesimus Annus was more pro-capitalism than previous papal social encyclicals. And Catholic social teaching has always upheld private property against socialism, and merely says that the government should take into account the common good and that laborers should have a living wage.
To: CatoRenasci
Hello again. I just reread the entire speech. I still like it and he does call for a return of Iraq's sovereignty in conditions of security. That is not quite a 'Yankee go home'. But to the political point, it is and should not be the role of the Vatican to decide or influence elections or suggest strategy. We clearly agree here. But we can take moral guidance from too few places today and I like his.
My last comment on the issue, I always look forward to your comments and replies.
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posted on
06/04/2004 7:29:22 AM PDT
by
SpeakingUp
(Honest discourse promotes progress.)
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