Posted on 05/29/2004 12:24:36 PM PDT by Destro
Americans and British carpet bombed Belgrade on Easter 1944. Bombing Christian Allies on Easter Sunday . I guess it becomes a tradition.
Wow--"Death Squads" & we "carpet bombed" Belgrade. You channeling Cynthia McKinney by any chance? Tell me A. Pole, just so I can confirm where you are coming from--who were the good guys in Nicaragua--the Contras or the Sandinistas? And which of those two groups killed the most civilians? How about in El Salvador--was it the government or the FMLN? And your bonus question, exactly what was it that the allied bombers did that made the attack on Belgrade any different than the hundreds of other attacks they made on German positions or critical facilities in towns in the allied countries of Holland or France or (later) Italy, etc?
I don't know which group killed more civilians. But it is Red Herring anyway. William Walker was around death squads which were in other Central American countries.
like all liberals, when you are called to task for your position you start quibling
it all depends on what the meaning of is; is
Mark should check out this link for illuminating just who Clinton supported.
Orwel words "Who controls the present, controls the past Who controls the past, controls the future" are applicable here. Since the fall of Berlin wall, there is a consistent, concerted activity to depict Serbs as Nazis and real Nazis as Serb victims.
Mindboggling. For example, USIP-sponsored Sonja Biserko claims that Serbia was fascist state during WWII responsible for The Holocaust. In reality Serbia was occupied country, under direct German Nazi military control and Serbs were holocaust victims. Such drivel would be insignifficant if not done under USIP supervision and Sonja Biserko being commissioned by USIP to write a study about alleged Serbian "nationalism" (in negative conotation). Who cares that this lie is an act of Nazi revisionism, financed by U.S. taxpayers dollars will enter into U.S. documents, allegedly as the analysis of an independent think tank.
Your attempt to depict Serbs as Nazis goes along the same line (you wrote: "You can read a little bit more about Serb ... SS forces here"
If you are indeed interested in Serbian Volunteer Corps and relationship with Wehrmacht and Waffen SS I would recommend Neubacher's “Sonderauftrag Sudost 1940-1945”,
SFK was similar to 15th Cossack Cavalry Corps - they never wore Nazi insignia nor Waffen SS uniform.
They fought along Nazis but were not Nazis themselves. They were anticommunists. But who cares about the facts, as long as you smear Serbs.
Easy, Wraith. If I wanted to be talked to like that, I'd call my wife!
The KLA used these people who did not support Thaci politically and guess what martyred them for the cause. In this case the KLA forced them to stand and fight with KLA guns at their backs... the KLA said they were going to take a stand and the Racak villagers were going to help if they liked it or not, except they would be doing most of the dying
OK Wraith, after eliminating the fluff and "my boy" and Serbs cleansed from Pristina moral equivalency arguments and how you talked to some guy from somewhere else who was not a nice person; what you are left with on the subject of Racak is yet one more unbelievable story trying to deny obvious Serbian war-crimes. The common element in each of those versions is that there is not a shred of hard evidence to support any of them. And yours is no different.
Lets do it again; just sticking to the Albanian bodies in the gully and not all the ones in the village itself nor the KLA soldiers killed on the other side of the village, here's what the evidence has established: eyewitnesses saw the men taken away by Serb forces out of Racak and toward the location where the bodies were found. Later, firing was heard from that area. Four Albanian men who were in the group taken into the gully described how they ran into the woods and escaped as Serbs gunned down the other Albanians. The bodies were found in the gully. They were the same Albanian villagers taken away by the Serbs. The forensic team says they were shot where they were found in the clothes they were found in and that there was no indication that they were "anything but unarmed villagers".
Wraith, you have nothing substantive-no evidence, no forensics, no witnesses-- to prop-up your story. And it contradicts the Serb government version that says the dead were all KLA terrorists. I seem to recall you claimed you were an intell type-what Army? No S-2 or G-2 I've ever seen could have survived throwing something like that little fantasy in front of the commander.
Oh, and for some of the peripheral stuff in your post-like your little lecture about the KLA setting up Racak because Racak citizens backed Rugova and KLA leader Thaci was upset because Rugova had gone to the peace conference in France. Whoops. The peace conference in France started in February. The Racak murders were on January 15th.
Racak was a Serb war-crime. Face up to it and move on, soldier. But before you do, fix your tag-line. That quote is from Frederick the Great, not Napoleon.
The challenge remains unmet. Or to be precise, it was met with more of the same--name-calling and a total inability to back up your position.
C'mon, fellas! Grow a little--show some integrity--it's never too late!
The only question remaining is how long it is until you accept some of these individuals simply aren't worth the time.
It is what it is.
Hello Hoplite, good to see you.
Mark whatever saying hello to himself?
Was Racak a anti-KLA village ?
Mark the Clinton version of Racak is based on eyewitnesses whose story is contradicted by ABC film.
Wraith's version of events is most plausible and fits precisely with the known facts and theM.O. of paramilitary guerillas.
Kfor concluded that the miost active KLA units (Ramush & Remi's) engaged in a systemic campaign of murdering Albanians. Why can't you ?
KLA Lied says Danny Pearl in WSJ 1999
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a386c976f6ffa.htm
KLA Prevent Reconstruction of Racak Event
http://www.FreeRepublic.com/focus/news/646128/posts
Kosovo OSCE observers admit to distorting their 'neutral' reports to favour KLA
http://www.FreeRepublic.com/focus/news/650948/posts
Kosovo- Complete Analysis of the Incident at Racak
http://www.FreeRepublic.com/focus/news/686417/posts
Kosovo- KLA Commander testifys he brought 47 KLA to fight at Racak
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/695375/posts
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All US troops need to be out of Kosovo region. When the US leaves the Euro trash troops will leave too.
Let the Serbs handle this
They were all Albanians separated by a political direction. The KLA considered the LDK a big road block on the road to power because of their popularity. Thaci had to destroy the LDK anyway he could. Racak was simply a village of strong LDK supporters who became useful to the KLA by becoming dead for the cause. The KLA kill their own. Is Racak an anti KLA village and the answer is simply yes. To day no one there dares to challenge the KLA because they now own the place and one does they are killed.
thanks for setting Mark straight on this
Thanks for the ping, vooch. I don't know if it can be explained to someone who wasn't there. Or at least someplace (like Southeast Asia) where this sort of thing went on. And maybe you have to have been there to understand that there is no such thing as an "unarmed villager" in the Balkans. Or maybe I'm old and tired. People will believe what they want to believe, regardless of evidence or lack thereof.
Racak again. You all know my thoughts on that. It's a case of "lack thereof" and "what's wrong with this picture?". If you want, I could go back and look at some very old threads where we pulled together what we could find of forensic evidence on the net and analysed it.
I confess I haven't read through this thread yet. Maybe I'll be able to contribute something once I've had time to read it all.
That's why I just call them leftists. The only reason to call them "liberals", is to annoy the ones who run from the term. ;-)
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