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We Are Not Fighting Just Al Qaeda (The Muslim Brotherhood is the fountainhead of Islamism)
Human Events ^ | May 27, 2004 | Robert Spencer

Posted on 05/27/2004 2:06:39 PM PDT by quidnunc

Now that George Bush has backed away from any Wilsonian pretensions in Iraq, the question arises: if democracy fails there, will the American intervention have been proven to be a failure? Not necessarily. The war in Iraq has clearly dealt a severe blow to a terror network that was much larger than Saddam Hussein or Al-Qaeda — one that is over 75 years old. Because of the politically correct blackout in the mainstream media on serious inquiry into the roots of Islamic radicalism, many Americans still believe that the terrorist threat will end once Al-Qaeda is neutralized. But in reality, the roots of today's war on terror lie in the creation not of Al-Qaeda, but of the Muslim Brotherhood.

The Muslim Brotherhood was founded in Egypt by Hassan Al-Banna in 1928. Al-Banna and the Brotherhood considered Islam to have an essential political and social character that needed to be reasserted in the face of the societal ills that had come to the Islamic world with secularism. Al-Banna's vision was in perfect accord with that of classical Muslim scholars such as Ibn Khaldun, who taught in the fourteenth century that "in the Muslim community, the holy war is a religious duty, because of the universalism of the Muslim mission and (the obligation to) convert everybody to Islam either by persuasion or by force." According to historian Brynjar Lia, "Quoting the Qur'anic verse 'And fight them till sedition is no more, and the faith is God's' [Sura 2:193], the Muslim Brothers urged their fellow Muslims to restore the bygone greatness of Islam and to re-establish an Islamic empire. Sometimes they even called for the restoration of 'former Islamic colonies' in Andalus (Spain), southern Italy, Sicily, the Balkans and the Mediterranean islands."

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TOPICS: Editorial; Extended News; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; islam; muslimbrotherhood; robertspencer; wot

1 posted on 05/27/2004 2:06:42 PM PDT by quidnunc
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To: quidnunc
I posted this on a earlier thread


Islam is a violent death cult that endorses murder,terrorism,is obsessed with death,sees all knowledge not related to the Koran as beneath contemp,and is trying to overthrow Western Civilization. islam could be rightly called a threat to public safety and civil order,as well as a national security risk

we seriously need to consider banning the practice of Islam at Lest in the US
2 posted on 05/27/2004 2:25:41 PM PDT by Charlespg (Civilization and freedom are only worthy of those who defend or support defending It)
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To: quidnunc
We Are Not Fighting Just Al Qaeda

by Robert Spencer
Posted May 27, 2004

Now that George Bush has backed away from any Wilsonian pretensions in Iraq, the question arises: if democracy fails there, will the American intervention have been proven to be a failure? Not necessarily. The war in Iraq has clearly dealt a severe blow to a terror network that was much larger than Saddam Hussein or Al-Qaeda -- one that is over 75 years old. Because of the politically correct blackout in the mainstream media on serious inquiry into the roots of Islamic radicalism, many Americans still believe that the terrorist threat will end once Al-Qaeda is neutralized. But in reality, the roots of today's war on terror lie in the creation not of Al-Qaeda, but of the Muslim Brotherhood.

The Muslim Brotherhood was founded in Egypt by Hassan Al-Banna in 1928. Al-Banna and the Brotherhood considered Islam to have an essential political and social character that needed to be reasserted in the face of the societal ills that had come to the Islamic world with secularism. Al-Banna's vision was in perfect accord with that of classical Muslim scholars such as Ibn Khaldun, who taught in the fourteenth century that "in the Muslim community, the holy war is a religious duty, because of the universalism of the Muslim mission and (the obligation to) convert everybody to Islam either by persuasion or by force." According to historian Brynjar Lia, "Quoting the Qur'anic verse 'And fight them till sedition is no more, and the faith is God's' [Sura 2:193], the Muslim Brothers urged their fellow Muslims to restore the bygone greatness of Islam and to re-establish an Islamic empire. Sometimes they even called for the restoration of 'former Islamic colonies' in Andalus (Spain), southern Italy, Sicily, the Balkans and the Mediterranean islands."

Such talk may have seemed laughable then, but it isn't so much now in these days of increasing jihadist activity in Spain, the Balkans, and elsewhere in Europe. For the Brotherhood was no gang of marginalized kooks. By 1944 its membership was estimated as between 100,000 and 500,000. It expanded beyond Egypt, setting up "several branches in Sudan, Saudi Arabia, Palestine, Syria, Lebanon, and Morocco, and one in each of Bahrain, Hadramawt, Hyderabad, Djibouti and," Lia adds matter-of-factly, "Paris." These many thousands, dispersed around the world, heard al-Banna's call to "prepare for jihad and be lovers of death."

One of the Muslim Brotherhood's principal children is the terrorist group Hamas, which identifies itself in its Charter as "one of the wings of the Muslim Brothers in Palestine. The Muslim Brotherhood Movement is a world organization, the largest Islamic Movement in the modern era. It is characterized by a profound understanding, by precise notions and by a complete comprehensiveness of all concepts of Islam in all domains of life: views and beliefs, politics and economics, education and society, jurisprudence and rule, indoctrination and teaching, the arts and publications, the hidden and the evident, and all the other domains of life."

The fact that Al-Banna was no eccentric in thinking all this was underscored by the success of the Islamic revolution in Iran in 1979. Of course, Jimmy Carter's feckless policies made the Ayatollah Khomeini's triumph possible, but Khomeini himself, a Shi'ite who had no involvement in the Sunni Muslim Brotherhood, was absolutely clear: "Islam," he declared, "makes it incumbent on all adult males . . . to prepare themselves for the conquest of [other] countries so that the writ of Islam is obeyed in every country in the world."

Khomeini's words are echoed today by Islamic groups around the world. Some are even rivals of Al-Qaeda. In fact, Abu Musab al Zarqawi, the terrorist mastermind in Iraq whom the CIA says murdered Nicholas Berg, is not an Al-Qaeda operative. His Tawhid group, according to Robert S. Leiken and Steven Brooke of the Nixon Center, "was 'especially for Jordanians who did not want to join al Qaeda.'"

There is even a continuing threat from an old source: the Muslim Brotherhood. Just last Sunday Egyptian police arrested 54 members of the group on suspicion of involvement in terrorist activities. Although its younger, flashier children grab more of the headlines, the Brotherhood's ongoing involvement in violence (combined with American unwillingness to acknowledge how compelling the radical vision of Islam is to Muslims) is just more evidence that today's fixation with Al-Qaeda could be dangerously misleading. It also shows that despite Abu Ghraib and Al-Sadr, the Iraq war, in light of the damage it has done to this global Islamic terror network, has nonetheless been a success.


3 posted on 05/27/2004 2:26:43 PM PDT by Gritty ("The beauty of being a Liberal is that history always begins this morning-Ann Coulter)
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To: quidnunc
Now that George Bush has backed away from any Wilsonian pretensions in Iraq

Nope, he hasn't backed away at all.

4 posted on 05/27/2004 2:27:05 PM PDT by gilliam
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To: Cyrus the Great
Although its younger, flashier children grab more of the headlines, the Brotherhood's ongoing involvement in violence (combined with American unwillingness to acknowledge how compelling the radical vision of Islam is to Muslims) is just more evidence that today's fixation with Al-Qaeda could be dangerously misleading.

Cyrus, can you enlighten us, please? Even if it is so compelling, it would seem resistable. Or maybe there is more to it than that...?

5 posted on 05/27/2004 2:29:24 PM PDT by sionnsar (http://trad-anglican.faithweb.com/ ||| sionnsar: the part of the bagpipe where the melody comes out)
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To: Gritty
but Khomeini himself, a Shi'ite who had no involvement in the Sunni Muslim Brotherhood, was absolutely clear: "Islam," he declared, "makes it incumbent on all adult males . . . to prepare themselves for the conquest of [other] countries so that the writ of Islam is obeyed in every country in the world."

Well there you have it. Forget the "War On Terrorism" BS, this is a war on Islam. Because Islam has declared war on us. They think that their methods can force us to give in. Spain's capitulation is just one example.

We had better know our enemy.

6 posted on 05/27/2004 2:47:04 PM PDT by mc5cents
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To: Charlespg
we seriously need to consider banning the practice of Islam at Lest in the US

Exactly!!!!

7 posted on 05/27/2004 2:48:50 PM PDT by neutrino (Everybody, soon or late, sits down to a banquet of consequences. Robert Louis Stevenson.)
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To: swarthyguy

The Muslim Brotherhood, expelled from Syria by Hafez al-Assad in a very brutal (yet deserved) manner, is currently in exile in Jordan, awaiting the overthrow of the current Syrian regime so that they can infiltrate and take over.


8 posted on 05/27/2004 2:58:37 PM PDT by Santiago Matamoros
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To: Santiago Matamoros

And shelter and succored by the Saudis when Nasser of Egypt opening big whoopass on them.

Brotherhood.salafis.wahhabs.royals,AQandthe Islamist Intl.

Different heads of the same damn hydra.


9 posted on 05/27/2004 3:01:16 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: swarthyguy

Spencer;s ONward Muslim SOldiers is a great read. Or was that Timmerman?


10 posted on 05/27/2004 3:07:41 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: quidnunc
In 1977 I bought a book (I never throw books away) called BROTHERS IN BLOOD, The International Terrorist Network, by Ovid Demaris

The dust cover reads: Terrorism threatens the political and domestic stability of todays (1977) world. In this timely book Ovid Demaris takes the reader behind the scenes to provide a close-up look at the notorious political killers who master-mind terrorist organizations............... 150 pages are devoted to the Web called The Muslim Brotherhood,( PLO and all). It would never get published today. it names names and most are the darlings of the left, well those that the Israeli's haven't killed yet.

11 posted on 05/27/2004 3:42:25 PM PDT by marty60
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To: marty60
Here is a good and recent book, by Robert Baer. He gives more information on his experiences and dealings with the Muslim Brotherhood. This is the "real" umbrella group, not Al Qaeda!


12 posted on 05/27/2004 4:58:05 PM PDT by Gritty ("Break the occupier by hitting their homeland. Terrorism is part of Islam-Omar Bakri, al Muhajiroun)
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To: Gritty
It's amazing how resilient these bastards have been!

Paul Berman wrote a terrific book:

Terror and Liberalism,

which devotes an entire chapter to the teachings and legacy of Sayyid Qutb.

This guy was the intellectual foundation for UBL, Sheik Rahman, et. al., who've spread his pernicious ideas to nearly every part of the globe.

Nasser thought he was crushing this movement when he decided to execute Qutb, but in reality, he was giving the Muslim Ikwhan an invaluable martyr.

Like Guevera, his death merely drove his detestable ideology forward. I have the feeling that we'll need to target the preachers/teachers if we're ever going to be rid of this problem.

13 posted on 05/27/2004 6:07:06 PM PDT by The Scourge of Yazid ("My daddy beats my mommy. My mommy clobbers me. My grandpa is a commie. My grandma pushes tea...")
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To: ItsonlikeDonkeyKong; All
I have the feeling that we'll need to target the preachers/teachers if we're ever going to be rid of this problem.

Add/Substitute about 2000 Kilos of Pig S*** from those nuisance 'Pig Factory "Farms"' into the MOAB, and Chuck it on Ali's grave in Najif...and give the Saudi's 24 Hour notice that TWO Mosques [and cities] will become uninhabitable!!!

You see, Allah [the MOON FACED idol...yeah, the Star within the Crescent], as they used to say in the Mining Towns of the 19th Century,

RUNS A "CLEAN" HOUSE!!!

14 posted on 05/28/2004 12:34:34 AM PDT by Lael (Patent Law...not a single Supreme Court Justice is qualified to take the PTO Bar Exam!)
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To: ItsonlikeDonkeyKong; All
I have the feeling that we'll need to target the preachers/teachers if we're ever going to be rid of this problem.

Add/Substitute about 2000 Kilos of Pig S*** from those nuisance 'Pig Factory "Farms"' into the MOAB, and Chuck it on Ali's grave in Najif...and give the Saudi's 24 Hour notice that TWO Mosques [and cities] will become uninhabitable!!!

You see, Allah [the MOON FACED idol...yeah, the Star within the Crescent], as they used to say in the Mining Towns of the 19th Century,

RUNS A "CLEAN" HOUSE!!!

15 posted on 05/28/2004 12:37:44 AM PDT by Lael (Patent Law...not a single Supreme Court Justice is qualified to take the PTO Bar Exam!)
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To: Lael; All
Sorry for the Double Post...


16 posted on 05/28/2004 12:39:08 AM PDT by Lael (Patent Law...not a single Supreme Court Justice is qualified to take the PTO Bar Exam!)
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17 posted on 05/31/2004 2:40:59 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: quidnunc

Islam is being given the respect that is given any religion. In no way is it a religion.


18 posted on 05/31/2004 3:09:07 AM PDT by tkathy (nihilism: absolute destructiveness toward the world at large and oneself)
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