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To: Cronos

Your church teaches that salvation is granted through dispensations of grace from the church. Saying it comes from Christ is just a convenient face to put on it. Salvation comes directly from Christ according to Paul by Believing on him and confessing him. That don't leave any place for Rome to step in and start distributing anything.. and it rather makes Rome's bank of grace on deposit from the good works of others useless - unless you have a different system that requires the intervention of the clergy for salvation by rewriting the salvation plan and still incorporating Christ - which then allows you to make a general statement that you teach salvation through christ. You just don't tell anybody about the slides, chutes, gears and whirly gigs added in your contraption that look nothing like the salvation plan outlined in scripture. That's because no one knowing the difference would accept it if you showed that up front. And that's why it takes guys like me to come up and point it out. It's also why you guys get so riled that your propaganda can't work if someone scuttles you by giving away the game.


640 posted on 05/31/2004 3:26:24 PM PDT by Havoc ("The line must be drawn here. This far and no further!")
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To: Havoc
Stop spreading your anti-Christian propaganda. Christ's church, called by you the Roman Catholic church, teaches that salvation comes from God.

Some more illogical propaganda from you: Your church teaches that salvation is granted through dispensations of grace from the church. Saying it comes from Christ is just a convenient face to put on it huh? weird. First you say it doesn't teach that it comes from Christ, then you say it does. Sounds like a Kerry to me.

And more wacky stuff:Your That don't leave any place for Rome to step in and start distributing anything Now, now, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing -- Christ's church, call by yout he Roman Catholic church, does NOT distribute anything of the kind you talk about. That's all some beautiful little propaganda piece.

The good point is that all your propaganda is so funny, it makes more people see through the lies and return to the true church of God, to Christ's way, not your way.
646 posted on 05/31/2004 11:35:18 PM PDT by Cronos (W2K4!)
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To: Havoc

[i]Your church teaches that salvation is granted through dispensations of grace from the church[/i]

That is so false I don't even know where to start. Salvation is granted by grace that comes from God, not the church. One does not "earn" their way into heaven, it is a gift that God grants. For Catholics, it is not enough just to believe in Christ to earn eternal salvation. Taking Christ into your heart does not equal a free pass into heaven. Jesus' blood opened the gates of heaven to those who deserve it, it was not a "blanket" to cover and cloak our sins from God. It is how you conduct yourself on this earth that will determine where your salvation lies. For Catholics, there is no such thing as being "saved" on earth.

Yes, there were times when members of the Church fell into human failings and sold grace to people, but that doesn't happen anymore. Humans are humans and we all have failings and fall into sin.


667 posted on 03/25/2005 10:56:05 AM PST by jbarkley
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