[Nov3]

Look the hate that Born Agains have for Catholics and Catholicism is manifest to all. I don't understand it. I respect the tenets and beliefs of the Baptist Church. If I wasn't Catholic I probably would become Baptist. What I don't respect is the spiritual pride and hatred I see in it. I have grown up in the south the behavior of these "christians" has repulsed me. It wasn't until the Christian Coalition went on TV that I realized that Baptists weren't all smug rednecks.

I just wish we could unite in our belief in Christ and pray but when I have said that on this forum I have been told that they don't want a Catholics prayer. Needless to say I posted a Hail Mary for them!

I don't understand the hate.

[Cronos]

Look the hate that Born Agains have for Catholics and Catholicism is manifest to all. I don't understand it. I respect the tenets and beliefs of the Baptist Church

That's one thing us Catholics cannot understand -- a few of them hate us because those few describe themselves only in relation to the Church. What?

Well, you ask them what they teach and they say "We are not Catholic". Their entire definition of themselves, of their teachings, of everything is a negation of Christ's church.

Note: as you put it so well, not all think that way, only a few fringe elements do (as happens over here).

[Cronos]

it reminds me of what an Indian poster posted out here some time back. he was describing Pakistan and said it was originally created as a land for the Indian subcontinent's muslims, but that failed as:

1. Most of the Muslims stayed on in secular india and
2. Bangladesh breaking away showed that langauge was as important as religion

Viz. they can no longer call themselves the land of indian Muslims, so their entire definition of themselves is that they are NOT India.

Similarly, the fringe elements define themselves as Not part of Christ's Church, a purely negative definition and they would not be satisfied until they've destroyed Christ's church.

[Havoc]

Look the hate that Born Agains have for Catholics and Catholicism is manifest to all. I don't understand it.

The hate is a pile of bunk you've been taught via indoctrination. I can't say I know a single christian soul that hates catholics. It's just utter and complete crap. You are trained apparently with such a self martyrdome complex that it is staggering. And it seems to be a matter of indoctrination because it runs in all of you. The minute someone takes issue with something you say, they hate you. Now stand back and think about that for a minute - is that childish or what? Seriously. You guys just don't seem to understand that if Christians hated you, they'd shut their mouths and let you casually saunter off to hell if they felt that was where you were headed. It's the worst possible thing they could do considering that one would appear in hell and think for an undetermined time that it was purgatory and you'd eventually suffer enough to get out..

The hate, prejudice and bigotry charges are bunk. Many in my experience whine and use the charges as a debate tactic in hopes that someone will feel sorry for them and take their word for it when they make an otherwise unproven claim that can't be substantiated.

Moreover, I would say it's more a projection. Do you guys actually ever take time to sit back and look at what you do on many of these threads? Seriously. Look at this one. You got Cronos and Pet in here slinging epithets and false accusations left and right in place of discussing actual differences because they can't defend their ground and detest anyone that puts them in that position. And granted, it's far better now than when I first came to FR. There used to be a guy that went by the handle ChinagotthegoodsonClinton If memory serves, that would just absolutely cuss Protestants out at the drop of a hat.

Some understanding on ya'lls part might go a long way. You don't want to because you veiw all non-catholics as heretic schismatics of a religion you don't even share. You have similarities in your religion; but, that don't make them the same religion. And it doesn't require that one hate you to say that. It's just pure pragmatism and frankness.

As far as being told not to pray for other Christians, I can understand that from a spiritual standpoint because I know the rammifications. I've personally asked Catholics that if they're going to pray for me, to say an "our father" and pray it in Jesus name. Many Christians do that because for those of us who are evangelical types, we have first hand regular experience with the stuff and know the spiritual consequences that you guys can't see. There are spiritual principles that you have not been taught and don't understand as a Catholic. You aren't alone because the protestants and cultists are largely as uninformed on the subject too.

And as a matter for consideration, if you don't respect the person's wishes, you don't respect the situation your praying for nor the soul of the person in question either - which rather defeats the purpose of praying for them in the first place - doesn't it, that is unless you're saying it for the sake of piety rather than sincerity. Praying a specific way out of spite is a display of contempt, not concern. I'm bushed. Freepmail me later if you want specifics. I gotta get some sleep. Long day ahead.