I would take issue with that to this extent - they have decided largely that they like playing in philosophy as much as you guys do. In the course of doing that, they do as you guys do - grasp at any appearance of support for any wild notion they fancy as a philosophical construct. Christians rightly divide the word. Religionists and philosophers twist it to their purposes. All of them claim they're right. But that is why the Apostles gave us clear writings that can be understood in CONTEXT. Jesus gave the truth to the Apostles; but, to unbelievers, he gave parables. Which is why the crowd didn't follow his direction to immediately eat his flesh.. present tense wasn't it - in John 6. Or are we to understand that it was literal; but, figurative rofl. Yes, I understand the games you all play in order to prop up the indefensable.