Posted on 05/23/2004 4:27:06 AM PDT by sarcasm
Damn!...I wish I had that line a few post ago...nice going and well said!
"Thanks for the offer, but there is nothing wrong with my resume. There is simply no demand in post-industrial America for someone like me who knows how do do everything pretty well. It just confuses the hell out of the HR people who vet the resumes."
But I think that you are wrong. There are plenty of jobs for folks like you - maybe not at the salary and location that you expect (no, I'm not talking Bangalore).
I'm not saying this is you, but the folks who most vehemently complain about offshoring tend to be those that really never were qualified for the jobs they had back in the "boom". To them, that they can't get anywhere close to that boom-time salary and perks means that somebody is conspiring against them. In the meantime, folks who adapt, relocate, and learn are doing just fine.
The problem with this brand of whiner, in my opinion, is that they are just partially correct, which allows them to ratchet up the sanctimony and bitterness until they've convinced themselves that they shouldn't have to change. You never hear about the (majority of) folks who persevered and prospered. They are too busy being successful to complain.
Free traitors do lie. What is also included in that number is the American workers benefits like health care and their parking. Hell, I bet they include the electricity bill to power the office lights. Even after that, some of these people still can't turn a profit after they send American jobs to India.
You are with HotDog. Wonderfully knowing about doing someone else's job. That job being -- finding work in one's field, technology, maufacturing, etc. The fields that by the research of major professional organizations such as the IEEE and the ACM -- have been domestically hollowed out -- offshored. So able to speak of what you have tried not -- finding a professional job in today's desert climate for such jobs, without doing so yourselves. Just how good are the two of you at doing your own jobs, one wonders?
Well the exact opposite is closer to the case -- the less proficeint you thought of yourself the more likely you were to do everything possible to hang on to your 20-plus year position at all costs for fear of not finding something else, for that lack of ability and talent.
Of course -- that's my opinion and theory, and I knwo the difference between real data and informed opinion.
Sure, this will be the excuse of free traders when caught on this lie. By the text clearly says about EARNING. This is is intended to make readers resentful toward "spoiled programmers". Average $25 would look very different.
Quote again:
According to Forrester research, the average computer programmer in India earns roughly $10 per hour, compared with more than $60 per hour for the average American programmer.
We should not confuse earning on the check with the cost for the company. When these liers say that average programmer makes MORE than $60/h they present it as $120/hour cost. BTW, project manager is not an average programmer.
And if you do not have family, friends and local roots.
I understand those realities (I'm a big family man and family in my mind comes first)...but in that situation why not change careers or start a business? Sounds daring but after all this is the USA...not Russia or China...believe in it and it will happen...good luck to you and your family
" And, that would be what? What do you know about me from that post that tells you I have an attitude "problem"?"
Read your post....if an HR person were to read that he would read the same thing in it..."this guy will not work well with our caliper of people"...next?
BVD,
I don't need to post my credentials to you, because I'm sure it wouldn't be good enough for you.
The IEEE, which I am a member of (off and on), is a lobbying group on this, so one must be careful of the veracity of their claims in this regard. They represent their members interests, which in this case would obviously favor gov't controls on outsourcing/offshoring. Manufacturing and engineering are FAR from being hollowed out. What is really happening is productivity enhancements are reducing the need for staff. This is not bad for the country.
IEEE has had problems evolving to be relevant, just like many people, such as yourself, who know better than the market and people who live work and breathe the industry every day.
Your supposition is that because one has a job, one possibly could not be knowledgeable about your industry, or opportunities therein. I respect HotDog's 27 years, you should too, that is, if you weren't obviously smarter than everyone else.
As for me, I've had a number of positions over the years. I moved and evolved my career. presently I am employed, and wear a number of hats at my job in the industry. I also have a startup and work very hard to stay in touch with the engineering industry. I know, it's not good enough for someone like you who knows better than me, but try to accept that people pay people like me, and HotDog because we add value far and beyond the cost to employ us.
If that were ever to change, we would no longer be employed. Life is tough. One wonders how long your last employer carried you, hoping you would learn to add value before finally giving up......If you were good at your job, and identifying opportunities, you'd be working instead of complaining. Some people take longer than others to figure this out.
Oh puhleeeeeze - Don't give me THAT!!! We ALL act differently online with an anonymous persona than we do in real life. Or is your name REALLY Hotdog?
You are living a very insulated "career". I can understand how you are so well ... insulated. Able to maintain fantasies. Stay in Disneyland, you may not be able to handle life outside the insulated and structured environement that has grown big with you in it.
Of course, that Fortune 150 company of "ours" may be next year's General Atomic, or Pennsylvania Railroad, RCA or even Enron. All of those Fortune 10 or bigger at one time.
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