Posted on 05/22/2004 11:17:27 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
Any chance Chalabi is actually guilty as charged?
I personally doubt it.
Be interesting to see what he has to say on the talking heads shows tomorrow.
This is becoming (very apparently) right vs. left.
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Seymour Hersh quotes Patrick Lang regarding Rumsfeld: 2003-05-12 - "The Pentagon has banded together to dominate the government’s foreign policy, and they’ve pulled it off. They’re running Chalabi. The D.I.A. has been intimidated and beaten to a pulp. And there’s no guts at all in the C.I.A."
Walter Pincus quotes Patrick Lang disputing Iraq/Al-Qaeda ties with regards to "CASE CLOSED": "(The Weekly Standard report) is a listing of a mass of unconfirmed reports, many of which themselves indicate that the two groups continued to try to establish some sort of relationship. If they had such a productive relationship, why did they have to keep trying?" - SOURCE FR thread
NYT's Nicholas Kristof quotes Patrick Lang that when experts wrote reports that were skeptical about Iraq's W.M.D., "they were encouraged to think it over again."
Lang make an appearance in UNCOVERED: THE WHOLE TRUTH ABOUT THE IRAQ WAR along with Joseph Wilson, Scott Ritter, Rand Beers, Henry Waxman, Robert Baer, and David Corn.
National Review on Lang's ties to the LYNDON LAROUCHE organization!
Based on this philosophy, it's wrong to attempt to identify and punish those guilty of prisoner abuse.
Its always been right vs. wrong, and it always will be.
There is every indication that he is a crook, and has been one since the beginning. This is beginning to look like an Iranian Intelligence Operation from the git-go. I don't know why Timmerman is continuing to support the guy. If he has any government sources, they must be people who haven't read the mail.
Oh, you bet he is....just wait & see what comes out of all this.
I guess Chalabi will now write an anti-bush book and be on 60 minutes and then he'll french-kiss katie Kouric.
What a steaming pile this Timmerman is when he presumes to know circumstances that no one else knows. He is just another example of an out of control press and it makes no difference whether they are left or right in their leanings.
Of course the real message to our "ARAB friends" is that the US will only take so much crap and give out so much $$ no matter how many bones you throw us.....when we finally make up our minds that you are screwing us, you are toast.
Im sure some of our Arab allies dont want to be reminded of this.
Hey Saudi Arabia! You guys paying attention!??!?
The hawks engaged Chalabi to provide intelligence supporting their wishes to intervene in Iraq. Now that Iraq has proven to be a larger problem than they anticipated, blame has to be shifted from them to someone. With Bush's popularity fading, intelligence failure by Chalabi is hoped to shift the blame to him and save the election. In Washington politics a friend is to be used until it becomes an advantage to bite him in the back.
I've always found Timmerman and Insight to be very credible.
Thanks for the links!
Yeah...and it's interesting to watch just who it is that is coming to the defense of Chalabi. These are the same people who accused him of lying to us about everything from the WMDs to being greeted with "flowers and love." The so-called Arabs that are all upset, now...were the same Arabs who called Chalabi an American puppet.
It's amazing to watch the left do all they can, not to just undermine this president...but to obstruct this war effort and endanger us all. Those leading the way are most the leftovers from the prior administration, who provide good copy as anonymous sources and so-called high-ranking administration officials. From the resignations over the Museum lootings to classified briefings making it on to the front page of the NY Times, these people have pulled out all stops to diminish Bush...and in the process, endanger us all.
Slight but possible. This Michael Rubin is scaring me a little. He came off of a two year policy-making stint in DOD last month, during which time he quite correctly published nothing. Since last month, he has been writing a couple articles as week blasting CIA, the State Department, and Paul Bremer on Iraq. The implication is that Bush is powerless to get his underlings on the same page. Needless to say, I don't want to believe that, as Rubin claims, our supremo in Iraq, Paul Bremer, is a madman.
I am concerned that the administration seems tilting towards the 20% of Iraqis who are Sunni.
Of course Chalabi is going to try to get support from his fellow Shiites in Iran. And the State Department is in communication with the same bunch. Reality is that most Iraqis are Shiites and are both wary of and attracted to Iran. I'm for early elections. Tell the Shiites that they can win but if they reopen the terrorist training camps, we're coming back. There is going to be a bit of a civil war and aside from making sure Saddam doesn't escape I'm not sure how much more we can do for them.
This is a tough situation and I feel a little bad second-guessing the President. But I don't trust these "Chalabi endangered lives" leaks either. Time will tell.
I have also found Timmerman to credible in the past.
On the thread that was discussing this last week I posted:
Ahmed Chalabi has a history of working with Iranian intelligence. CIA agent Bob Baer was nearly crucified by the FBI in the mid 1990s after a cable was intercepted describing a plot to overthrow Sadam. The intercept was of an intelligence debrief of Chalabi by Iranian intelligence. Chalabi told them that a CIA agent named Bob something was in Iraq to overthrow Sadam.
Baer was in Kurdish controlled Iraq working with the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (PUK)and was recalled to Washington at the insistence of Tony Lake. Lake was concerned that there was a rogue operation going on.
I highly recommend Baer's book "See No Evil" if you are interested in terrorism and the middle east.
P.S. Thank God, Lake was not confirmed as Clinton's choice for CIA Director in 1996.
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