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GEORGIA U.S. SENATE RACE: Debate Observations- HERMAN CAIN, COLLINS, ISAKSON
CummingHome.com ^ | 5/2/2004 | David Connor

Posted on 05/13/2004 9:15:58 AM PDT by UlsterDavy

OBSERVATIONS FROM THE GWINNETT U.S. SENATE DEBATE

My wife and I got to the event two hours early. To pass the time, we casually walked around the parking lot and met people coming for the debate. At that time we counted around 30 vehicles with Isakson stickers and around 12 with Cain stickers. Evidently Isakson's supporters were enthusiastic to see their candidate in a debate given the fact that this was to be his first appearance at one out of a total of three in the last two weeks (Johnny was absent at Cobb and Cherokee counties).

We entered the lobby and the first candidate table was that of Johnny Isakson's. Scratch the "enthusiastic" comment I made earlier. These guys looked like they were all hired hands. Stiff, somber and unwelcoming. With multiple events going on at the Gwinnett Center that night, I almost asked one of them if this was the funeral home director convention.

We walked by the Mac Collins and Herman Cain tables and from both we were pleasantly greeted. As time passed by, more people seemed to hover around these two tables. The Cain and Collin’s supporters were clearly more social with each other. The Isakson people tended to stand against the wall looking on.

With about an hour before debate time, Herman Cain walks into the lobby. Fifty people surround him. He talks and listens to some of his supporters. He then gives a short speech which finished with loud applause. Chants of "Cain Cain Cain" echo down the halls of the Gwinnett Center. One of the things he was asked was why he thought it was possible that he could become the next Georgia Senator. He told a story of how the bumble bee was not supposed to fly based on the laws of aero dynamics and physics. “It’s body is too heavy, it’s wing’s are too small, it’s not supposed to be possible” he said. “No one told the bumble bee that it could not fly” he added. This campaign certainly has the buzz.

Unbeknown to me, Mac Collins had entered the lobby at the same time. He hovered around his supporters and stayed and listened to what many of them had to say.

A few minutes later, Johnny Isakson enters the lobby. He greeted a few people. There was no applause, no cheer, no anything. You wouldn't have known he was there. He almost ran through the lobby as if he was a nervous teenager that was late for the prom.

As the debate was about to get underway, we noticed the odd seating arrangements. Each campaign was designated their own sections. The Gwinnett County party managed to place the Isakson supporters right in front of the TV cameras with the Cain and Collins areas to either side. Gwinnett local access TV was recording the event and this was to be shared with CSPAN. WSB radio also recorded the event. Upon closer observation, there was as much (if not more) Cain supporters there as there were Isakson supporters. Collins fans were definitely third.

Johnny Isakson was introduced as "the honorable Congressman” and they failed to do the same introduction for Collins.

Throughout the debate, the Collins and Cain supporters showed a good amount of solidarity. Clearly showing the conservatives in the race.

At one point moderator Dick Williams said that in campaign literature and advertisements, Mac Collins called Johnny Isakson a moderate. When asked to expand on that, Mac Collins said “If the name fits, wear it”.

There was no denial from Isakson on this statement, more like "I've been called that before and I won back then". Isakson and Collins go at it again for a little while longer about “conservative” and “moderate”.

Herman Cain steps in amongst the bickering. “I will tell you how to spell conservative" he says. "C-A-I-N" he said receiving loud applause.

The best discussion of the night came on the issue of taxes.

Collins and Isakson explained that they were for lower taxes. Herman Cain responded firmly saying “With all due respect to my opponents, they are a part of the status quo. They are career politicians, I am a career problem solver. They described ways to put a band-aid on our tax problem. We don’t need to do that. We need to replace it with the Fair Tax”.

When asked if the Fair Tax was a realistic goal in the next ten years, all three candidates agreed. Herman Cain then slam dunked his opponents. “I am glad to hear you say that you support this" he said "but what is taking so long?" he added to loud applause.

Exiting the Gwinnett Center, Cain's people were handing out literature on the rights of the unborn and on the Fair Tax. As I was approached by one of those people she reached her hand out to give me the literature. I pointed at my fresh new Herman Cain sticker, raised my fist in the air and said "I am a believer!"


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: Georgia
KEYWORDS: cain; conservative; conservatives; fairtax; georgia; hermancain; ussenate

1 posted on 05/13/2004 9:15:59 AM PDT by UlsterDavy
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To: UlsterDavy
Thanks for the info. I'd love to see Cain win the Senate seat. I believe he'd be the perfect replacement for Miller, who really shook up the democrats. We need someone to shake up the Republicans as well.
2 posted on 05/13/2004 9:25:48 AM PDT by jess35
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To: UlsterDavy
thanks ...for the article...timely too.
3 posted on 05/13/2004 9:44:24 AM PDT by AmericanMade1776
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To: UlsterDavy
Cain is the man to push for this Senate seat. Keep spreading the word---a TRUE conservative businessman who will shake up the establishment (both conservative and liberal) is what we can expect from Herman Cain.
4 posted on 05/13/2004 9:50:18 AM PDT by scottbga (HERMAN CAIN IS THE BEST PERSON FOR THE OPEN GA SENATE SEAT)
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To: UlsterDavy
Good story about the debate....However, Mac Collins is the best man for the job. He is the true conservative in the race and he has the record to prove it!!! He wants lower taxes, less government and less regulation for business. So instead of "Cain! Cain! Cain!!" Conservatives in Georgia should be chanting "Mac! Mac! Mac!" Mac Collins..the best man and best qualified. A U.S. Senator that we won't have to train!!!
5 posted on 05/13/2004 10:24:11 AM PDT by SmithPatterson
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To: SmithPatterson
It's going to be an interesting race.

If Cain or Collins can get the RINO into a runoff he'll have to go back to holding open houses on Sunday from 2-5 p.m.
6 posted on 05/13/2004 10:31:23 AM PDT by G L Tirebiter
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To: UlsterDavy
Thanks for the first-hand report...I've been following Cain...he seems like he might even be presidential timber someday. I wish I could vote for him, but I'm here in Arkansas with Blank Lincoln and "Taco Bell" Mark Pryor for Senators...a sorrier bunch you'll never see...probably there for life, too...(sigh)
Anyway, what are the Republican's chances against the prospective Dim nominee?
7 posted on 05/13/2004 10:32:32 AM PDT by mozarky2 (Ya never stand so tall as when ya stoop to stomp a statist.)
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To: SmithPatterson
Thanks, but I can make up my own mind. I am a true conservative, and Cain has my vote, as well as my husband's.

8 posted on 05/13/2004 10:34:53 AM PDT by Politicalmom ( Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but they're not entitled to their own facts -D. Rumsfeld)
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To: UlsterDavy
Thanks for the update Davy. When Cain spoke in Cherokee Co, I would say 2/3 of the crowd became "converted". For those outside Georgia. Cain is the former CEO of Godfather Pizza. He is tall, black and has a powerful voice. His TV ads are short and consise. From what I have seen, his momentum is really building.
There will probably be a run-off with Isakson. Mac Collins seems very tired and even though he is doing good things in Washington, his message is dull. (But we did notice some good looking college age cheerleaders on his staff).
9 posted on 05/13/2004 10:39:01 AM PDT by ted2002 (Georgia - Home of Zell Miller)
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To: ted2002
Tired?? Dull?? No way!!! Mac Collins has done many good things in Washington. Knows his way around..Has not forgotten his Georgia roots or constituents..He has a good message..Has been a businessman..Knows how to meet a payroll..Has been fighting for the Fair Tax Act even before Herman Cain decided to move back to Georgia from Nebraska. Mac Collins is the genuine article...
10 posted on 05/13/2004 10:46:56 AM PDT by SmithPatterson
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To: SmithPatterson
Cain seems real, Collins is part of the status quo. We have a "Collins" here in NC called Sen. Dole. GA dont make the same mistake we did.
11 posted on 05/13/2004 10:54:25 AM PDT by rrrod
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To: rrrod
Elizabeth Dole tantamount to Mac Collins?? No way!!!! Georgians will not make a mistake sending Mac Collins to the U.S. Senate. I hope you North Carolinians will not be making a mistake by sending Erskine Bowles to the Senate. Richard Burr is the best man to represent the Tar Heel State in the Senate.
12 posted on 05/13/2004 11:22:53 AM PDT by SmithPatterson
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To: SmithPatterson
Burr will win.....but we are still stuck with Dole
13 posted on 05/13/2004 11:24:24 AM PDT by rrrod
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To: SmithPatterson; rrrod; ted2002

It's great to have 2 conservatives in the primary, but I'm with SmithPatterson - Mac Collins is the best man for the job. Though Cain has a great platform, where has he been this whole time? I had never heard of him until he announced for the race. There's no evidence that he was communicating either as a constituent or through any lobbying group to change the way things are done in DC. I and many others have been working at the grassroots level through letter-writing, phone calls, etc..., to try and change policies on things like abortion and taxes for years, and we want someone who has been at it with us. Mac Collins has been a workhorse for the past 12 years in DC - trying to build momentum among other legislators, thinking of new ways to do things, standing firm for conservatives principles. He hasn't been afraid to cast the unpopular vote when it was the right thing to do. I think it's a bad thing to equate being an incumbent with being a bad politician. I'd much rather have a seasoned leader who really knows the issues and is experienced at crafting and pushing legislation, than someone whose professes great zeal and energy for the job as of late. I worked for Mac as a staffer a few years ago and saw firsthand his integrity, energy, and conservative stands. It'd be great to see Cain involved at some level of Republican politics, but knocking out an experienced, proven leader like Mac would be a mistake. We need his leadership in DC.


14 posted on 05/17/2004 5:57:39 PM PDT by legacy
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To: jess35

Question for Georgians: I believe that an old buddy of mine, Tom Price, is your state senate majority leader. What are his prospects for tossing a hat in a bigger ring some time in the future?


15 posted on 05/17/2004 6:02:32 PM PDT by zook
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