[Archangelsk]

The point is that the rat politicians and their media monkeys don't care about that, they only wish to demoralize the American people and the military in order to turn Iraq into a defeat.

Thank you, but the real goal of these two outfits is not defeat in Iraq, but the defeat of the President in November.

[Jeff Chandler]

They see the former as the means to the latter.

[arthurus]

goal of these two outfits is not defeat in Iraq, but the defeat of the President

I am sure that defeat in Iraq would be accepted with glee as a fine side benefit.