Former CIA Official: U.S. May Fall Like USSR

News Max ^ | May. 5, 2004 | Phil Brennan

[yonif]

Herb Meyer is calling for a holy war to save western civilization. But the former Reagan CIA official has a problem: Most people don’t know what it is he wants to save.

"We’ve forgotten what Western civilization is," Meyer told NewsMax.com. "We no longer teach it in the schools. If you come to the schools where I live and ask a group of high school students ‘what is Western Civilization?’ They’ll tell you it’s slavery, the oppression of women and we don’t recycle.”

But Western Civilization is not made up of our faults; all civilizations have those. Meyer contends, “It’s the rule of law, the idea of individual and economic rights, scientific inquiry - this is important stuff and our failure to teach our children what Western Civilization is may be the worst mistake we’ve ever made."

Meyer was not one just to ride into the sunset after his government service with Ronald Reagan. During the 1980s he served as Special Assistant to the Director of Central Intelligence, William J. Casey. Meyer played a key role in helping Ronald Reagan and Bill Casey win the cold war. Meyer was also one of the first analysts to predict the breakup of the Soveit empire.

Now, this former CIA analyst says it’s the U.S. and the West that may just crackup.

In fact, he has just produced a new video, The Siege of Western Civilization," that makes his point, and explains to Americans what we need to save.

Meyer also had a distinguished career in journalism. He's a former associate editor of Fortune, author of several books and dozens of published essays about politics and economics.

Meyer has put together the case – sometimes in shocking detail - the continuing assault on the very underpinnings of the civilization which has produced the concepts of religious and individual freedom, economic liberty, and the rule of law which have guided mankind for centuries.

This foundation of civilization led to a flowering of art and literature, monumental scientific discoveries and a living standard unmatched in all history.

But now Meyer is worried Americans today are willing to lose it all because they have no idea of how it all came about.

He argues that there has been an assault against Western civilization.

This attack he sees as three pronged:

A new civil war fought against the existence of any moral code governing conduct

A war against the kind of population growth required to sustain a nation’s economy and the welfare of its elderly people

An attack by a brand of Islam which seeks nothing less than to subjugate the Western world. This video is available on dvd or cassette, and is one every high school student in America and their parents should see.

Meyer tackles all three threats and explains what has to be done if Western Civilization and its incredible benefits are not to be vanquished.

"People want to be talked to seriously about the issues that confront us," Meyer explained. "They want to be talked to about the war, about our culture and about our economy. What they need more than anything else, is a way to pull it together, to connect the dots so that they have a context for following the news and for understanding what’s happening out there, and that’s what we tried to do in the video: To give them that context, to connect the dots, for them."

Population Suicide

You don’t hear much about it, but the Western world and Japan are in the process of committing population suicide – and America is not far behind.

Current birthrates in England, France, Germany, Italy, Spain and in Japan are far below what its required for a society to reproduce itself and sustain a healthy economy.

Russia is a population basket case. To reproduce itself, the birthrate must be 2.1 children per family. In Europe it’s almost half that, and in the U.S. it’s now 2.0 and headed down. In a mere 20 years, the population of some European nations and Japan will have dropped by an astonishing 30 percent.

"We seem to have forgotten what every primitive society understands: you need children," Meyer told NewsMax.com.

"They are a blessing obviously, but from a practical point of view they are consumers which an economy needs and then they grow up and become taxpayers. If you don’t have a big enough tax base you simply cannot generate the wealth to take care of the older people.

"And that’s what’s happening in Western Civilization today. We simply don’t have enough working age people to support the retired people.

"It’s the worst in Europe and Japan and we are obviously on the same trajectory. We can see what’s happening in Europe and Japan, so we have some time to deal with it."

Meyer says a second civil war is being waged against the culture of Western Civilization by hordes of neo-barbarians.

No Rules

"Back in the 1960s we just decided to throw away the rule book. We said ‘You don’t need rules anymore; everybody do whatever you want. If it feels good, do it.' That was a terrible mistake and we’re paying a price for it now. We expanded rights but no one wants to take responsibilities. You have to match the two. If you’re going to have more rights, you have to have more responsibility, but we want the rights without the responsibility."

And there is a worldwide war of terrorism against Western Civilization being waged by the fanatical wing of Islam.

Radical Islam Wants Us Gone

While noting that there are millions of good and decent Muslims in the world Meyer warns that "There is within Islam a radical streak and when the radicals are in charge, Islam attacks Western Civilization.

"It did that in the 7th century, it did again in the 15th and 16th centuries, and it’s doing it now in the 21st century. What we call the War on Terror, is in fact radical Islam’s third attack on Western Civilization. Terrorism is the tactic they are using."

Meyer insists, "We have to go back and understand just what it is we are fighting for. And when you understand Western Civilization then you have a very clear sense of who the enemy is, what they are attacking and why it’s worth defending."

[AntiGuv]

Note that the 2000 election did not start another Civil War. Think about that.. All it did was lead to the same incessant whining, bitching, and moaning that we'll get tortured by if it happens again or in reverse..

[PokeyJoe]

Note that in 2000, the WTC were still standing.

[AntiGuv]

I assume you have a point that eludes me..

[texasbluebell]

And where is this Muslim menace in the United States?? The Muslim population is only about 3% or something like that and at their rate of growth it would take at least another century to make it to even 10%, if it keeps up.

Really? Take a look.

In 1970 or so, there were about 100,000 moslems in the US. Today there are approximately 3 to 4 million conservatively.

That means in the past 30 or so years, the moslem population has increased 30 times (100 thousand x 30).

If that rate holds, in 30 more years, the moslem population could well be 90 million in this country (3 million x 30).

Math is not my strong point, so if someone can poke holes in this, please do. I really hope I'm wrong.

Take a look at this quote:

In 1974, former Algerian President Houari Boumedienne said in a speech at the U.N.: "One day millions of men will leave the southern hemisphere to go to the northern hemisphere. And they will not go there as friends. Because they will go there to conquer it. And they will conquer it with their sons. The wombs of our women will give us victory." In other words, says Fallaci, what Islamic armies have not been able to do with force in more than 1,000 years can be achieved in less than a century through high birth rates. She cites as evidence a 1975 meeting of Islamic countries in Lahore, in which they announced their project to transform the flow of Muslim immigrants in Europe in "demographic preponderance."

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[PokeyJoe]

Also note that the election of 2004 will be contested and may lead to a constitutional crisis in the US Senate. If this happens, President Bush will exert emergency powers. If this happens... RATS will revolt. Civil War will ensue.

[Qwinn]

"All truth goes through three stages.
First it is ridiculed.
Then it is violently opposed.
Finally, it is accepted as self-evident."
(Schopenhauer)"

I don't care for this quote.

The same is true for propaganda, lies and misinformation that finally becomes accepted -as- truth. There is no link between what goes through these stages and it's veracity.

Additionally, it's not rare at all to see the actual truth go backwards through those same stages. Many truths we used to hold self-evident were then violently opposed and are now considered self-evidently false. Do I even need to list examples, or do dozens spring to mind instantly as easily for you as they do for me?

Qwinn

[PokeyJoe]

The issue in 2004 is the War on Terror, immigration, and the (da da da dum) Patriot Act. The Patriot Act, War on Terror, and Immigration would not be highlighted in the 2004 debate but for the attack in 2001.

Harpers Ferry 1859 - 1860 Presidential Election

WTC 911 - 2004 Presidential Election

[PokeyJoe]

btw, thanks for the discussion. As it is, I need to go to bed. My wife is scheduled for her chemotherapy in the morning and I need to be able to drive while awake. Talk at you laterz.

[Eagle Eye]

I've found that the "Can't happen to me" denial syndrome is often fatal. The results are predictably unexpected.

I'm betting that if one were to warn the peoples of Germany and the USSR of their eventual fates that they would say the same thinng...it can't happen here, not to us.

[Euro-American Scum]

Folks slam me and my book etc for being an alarmist, a fear monger, etc.

I don't find your book any of those things. I find it tightly written, enormously engrossing and disturbingly plausible.

My goal is to warn America about the storm clouds on the horizon.

Mission accomplished.

The Titanic is heading into an ice field at full speed ahead, and the band plays on.

And the lifeboats are made of cardboard.

[wardaddy]

RATS will revolt

dumb move...we are much better armed and mentally stronger.

[XBob]

24 - "There is nothing that says that another, crueler, dark age can't fall upon the world once again."

rings as true today as it did in 1959 when it was first published

Be afraid, very afraid - read:



A Canticle for Liebowitz by Walter M. Miller,.

http://www.writerswrite.com/journal/feb98/fansf.htm

A Canticle for Liebowitz by Walter M. Miller,. Jr.
Bantam Books., Oct., 1997.
Hardcover, 368 pages.
ISBN: 0553379267.
Ordering information:
Amazon.com. | Amazon.co.uk

A Canticle for Leibowitz was the first major American post-Apocalyptic novel. It tells the story of the Monks of the Order of Saint Leibowitz whose holy mission is to preserve what scraps of literature, knowledge and technology that exist in the world after the Flame Deluge (nuclear war) which destroyed Earth's civilization. The monks work tirelessly to preserve these relics of a happier time in the hopes of a spiritual and intellectual Renaissance that sometimes seems like it will never happen, given the world's rabid anti-technology views stemming from anger at the scientists who created the atom bomb which led to the destruction of modern civilization. The story traces the path of Earth's civilization from post-Apocalyptic confusion to the rise of civilization to the point where it destroyed itself once before. Can man overcome his own self-destructive tendencies? What is faith? These are the questions Miller addresses in his classic work full of anger, dark humor and the struggle between good and evil.

Miller's classic story, written nearly 40 years ago and reissued by Bantam in connection with Miller's new sequel, Saint Leibowitz and the Wild Horse Woman, rings as true today as it did in 1959 when it was first published. Miller's style of writing is unique. Wry, descriptive, engaging and vastly disturbing, Miller's prose hurls the reader into a parallel universe: Earth as it might have been if we had destroyed ourselves with nuclear weapons. The story follows the lives of the Monks of the Leibowitz Abbey from the discovery in an abandoned bomb shelter of the actual relics of Saint Leibowitz, the blueprint and the sacred shopping list, to the struggles of the Monks against the violent warlords who rule the world around them and the dispossessed Papal presence in New Rome. A thoughtful polemic which reads as fresh and current as if it were written yesterday, A Canticle for Leibowitz ranks with Animal Farm and George Orwell's 1984 as a classic work of English literature and of science fiction.

[AntiGuv]

You're quite welcome! Best of luck!

[JasonC]

I know every strategem they've ever devised and plenty they haven't. They can be defeated by purely political methods. We are doing so now. In matters of theory, Strauss is the antidote to Gramsci. Knowing the answer and implimenting it effectively are two different things - the second does not follow from the first. But we know how to beat everything they've come up with.

[XBob]

55 - "I think General Franks was correct in predicting that a state of martial law would exist, and parts of the Constitution would be rolled back for immediate survival of the republic. Let's not forget that Lincoln did numerous end-runs around the Constitution for the sake of preserving the union. It could happen again very easily..."

Xlinton put the last pieces in place in 1998 and 1999, so as to prepare for dictatorship for Y2K.

It's all ready to go, for several years now.

[JimRed]

There is nothing that says that another, crueler, dark age can't fall upon the world once again.

The Bible says that it will.

[John Lenin]

Last fall Paul O'Neill, then Secretary of the Treasury, wanted a simple answer to a thorny question: How prepared was the nation today to pay all its future bills? Two government experts worked for months to calculate the answer. Their findings, which shocked even them, were never published—the Bush administration made sure of that. The reason for the silence was that by the time the two researchers had completed their study, O'Neill had been thrown out of the Treasury and replaced by the more politically astute John Snow. No savvy administration power player would dare point out, right in the middle of tax-cut season, that there was a huge hole in the country's finances—a $44 trillion hole.

That's the kind of Washington tactic that makes Larry Kotlikoff angry. So angry, in fact, that the normally composed and carefully spoken academic starts ranting about a government conspiracy to keep us all in the dark. He even refers to this particular episode as "the great Treasury cover-up." And once you start Kotlikoff on the subject, it's hard to stop him. "I hate politicians," he says, without pausing for breath. "These people are so...

[Major_Risktaker]

If we wiped Mecca and Medina and all capital cities of the Islamic world off the map would that win the war?

YES!

I would have done it after 9-11. Bush is merciful.

[little jeremiah]

This bears repeating:

"When your opponents lack the price of admission to civilized debate: a respect for reason, belief in objective truth, and a willingness to admit they're wrong when the facts prove it so - what then? When your opponents' goals are to destroy the very foundation of your culture and your society - and to offer nothing in return but the howling nightmare of a society of cannibals and looters - what then? When your opponents seize and indoctrinate your children's' minds in the politics of victimization and the nobility of human servitude and sacrifice - what then? When the institutions of higher learning are occupied by Marxist multiculturalists who despise the very philosophical foundation upon which the architecture of liberty and human dignity can be constructed - what then?"

Awesome comments.

[Happy2BMe]

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