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Fallujah pullback opportunity, not necessarily agreement to end fight: Abizaid (MUST READ!!!)
AFP ^ | Fri, Apr 30, 2004 | AFP

Posted on 04/30/2004 9:47:18 AM PDT by Eurotwit

WASHINGTON (AFP) - The withdrawal of marines from Fallujah is "an opportunity, not necessarily an agreement" to end fighting for the city, the commander of US forces in Iraq (news - web sites) said, warning that military action may still be needed to root out foreign fighters.

General John Abizaid said the United States will not tolerate foreign fighters in the city, and will insist on heavy weapons coming off the streets and on freedom of movement for marines and Iraqi security forces.

He said it should be understood that "what we have there is an opportunity, and not necessarily an agreement."

"The opportunity is to build an Iraqi security force from former elements of the army that will work under the command of coalition forces and that will be mentored and work next to coalition forces," he told Pentagon (news - web sites) reporters in a video teleconference from Qatar.

"And I think we must be very careful in thinking that this effort to build an Iraqi capacity will necessarily calm down the situation in Fallujah tonight or over the next several days," he said.

Abizaid said all military options remained "on the table."

"It may still be necessary to conduct very robust military operations in Fallujah. We hope we don't have to do that," he said.

The general, who heads the US Central Command, singled out the need to get rid of foreign fighters -- and in particular Abu Mussab Zarqawi, who he said had used Fallujah as a base of operations.

"This idea that there will be a safe haven for him (Zarqawi) is absolutely unacceptable. Nor will we or our Iraqi partners allow foreign fighters to freely roam the country and attack indiscriminately and use Iraqi civilians as shields from which to conduct military operations," he said.

He said even the best Iraqi forces would be unable to bring Zarqawi's fighters under control.

"So we will have to eliminate that enemy in a way that does not allow that force to challenge us throughout Iraq and other places at other times. No doubt some will infiltrate out, and some will find other means to escape," he said.

Strikingly, Abizaid made no specific mention of former members of the old regime's security apparatus who are believed to be leading the insurgency in the Sunni heartland, including Fallujah.

The omission suggested that commanders hope the new force led by a former Iraqi major general will neutralize Baathist insurgents.

The general said he did not know Major General Jassem Mohamed Saleh, who will lead the Iraq Protection Army, a new Iraqi security force that will take over positions inside the city from the marines.

Iraqis cheered and waved flags as Saleh entered the city Friday, as marines began their withdrawal from the city, pulling down barbed wire defenses from around the soda factory that had served as their headquarters in the city's southern industrial area.

"Yes, there is some room for optimism there," Abizaid said. "But the details of how we will build an Iraqi security capacity there will take some time. We need to have some patience."

"It is a possible breakthrough, but certainly the conditions that must be met are foremost on our minds, and that has to do with the restoring of law and order in Fallujah," he said.

Asked about the fate of those who killed four US contractors in the city March 31, setting off the confrontation, Abizaid said getting them was a "non-negotiable objective."

"Now, I think it would be a stretch for you to say they are in Fallujah. I can't tell you that, nor can anyone else," he added.


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: falluah; fallujah; ipa; iraq; iraqiarmy; iraqibrigade; iraqprotectionarmy; jassemsaleh
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1 posted on 04/30/2004 9:47:19 AM PDT by Eurotwit
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To: Eurotwit
Talk, talk, talk, spin , spin, spin.
2 posted on 04/30/2004 9:49:37 AM PDT by cynicom
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To: elfman2; Dog; swarthyguy; theFIRMbss; Cicero; Rokke; Frank_Discussion
ping
3 posted on 04/30/2004 9:49:53 AM PDT by Eurotwit
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To: Eurotwit
bump for later
4 posted on 04/30/2004 9:49:58 AM PDT by RightWingMama
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To: Eurotwit
Abizaid said all military options remained "on the table."

As many have previously stated,this could save some lives on our side if they (Iraqis)can do the work.

I appreciate your posts and attitude Eurotwit.

5 posted on 04/30/2004 9:52:46 AM PDT by No Blue States
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To: Eurotwit; All
Just got this note from a friend and it included some interesting quote from the Koran...

No other nation, except Israel, has more history and prophecy associated it than Iraq.

And also...

This is something to think about! Since America is typically represented by an eagle. Saddam should have read up on his Muslim passages... The following verse is from the Quran, (the Islamic Bible)

Quran (9:11) -- For it is written that a son of Arabia would awaken a fearsome Eagle. The wrath of the Eagle would be felt throughout the lands of Allah and lo, while some of the people trembled in despair still more rejoiced; for the wrath of the Eagle cleansed the lands of Allah; and there was peace.

(Note the verse number...)

6 posted on 04/30/2004 9:55:15 AM PDT by el_texicano (Liberals are the real Mind-Numbed Robots - No Brains, No Guts, No Character)
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To: Eurotwit
Iraqis cheered and waved flags as Saleh entered the city Friday ...

Which, of course, means he is one of the enemy.

7 posted on 04/30/2004 9:55:23 AM PDT by mikegi
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To: cynicom
>Talk, talk, talk, spin , spin, spin.

A few weeks ago,
nobody -- not even 'Rats! --
believed that nonsense

comparing Iraq
to Vietnam. Every one,
now, is wondering --

either out loud or
in their heart -- Oh-my-God, is
Iraq Vietnam?

8 posted on 04/30/2004 9:56:09 AM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: el_texicano
THIS IS FALSE!

Do NOT believe this.

It has been disproven.

oIw
Rick
9 posted on 04/30/2004 9:57:24 AM PDT by siwrcw03 (Stupidity of many amazes me.....)
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To: el_texicano
Uh, can you say "urban legend".
10 posted on 04/30/2004 9:57:49 AM PDT by mikegi
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To: Eurotwit
Zarqawi is not in fallujah. if he were, if any of the intel or intercepts or drone video surveillance had shown that, we would have hit it much harder. also, we've had fallujah cordoned off and bottled up for weeks now - yet the terror attacks continue. Zarqawi isn't there.
11 posted on 04/30/2004 9:58:19 AM PDT by oceanview
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To: No Blue States
Thanks No Blue States.


As another European said before me, "This is not time to go wobbly."


There is much made about European appeasement, and rightly so. But, this war will be won or lost in America, and I hope America is up for it.

Cheers.
12 posted on 04/30/2004 9:58:48 AM PDT by Eurotwit
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To: Eurotwit
" "So we will have to eliminate that enemy in a way that does not allow that force to challenge us throughout Iraq and other places at other times. No doubt some will infiltrate out, and some will find other means to escape," he said. "

That’s a big step back from saying we are going in to destroy them.

" The omission suggested that commanders hope the new force led by a former Iraqi major general will neutralize Baathist insurgents"

Or that the new force will be the Baathist insurgents.

13 posted on 04/30/2004 9:58:59 AM PDT by elfman2
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To: theFIRMbss
It WILL be WORSE than Vietnam if people like you WANT it to be.
14 posted on 04/30/2004 9:59:52 AM PDT by Eurotwit
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To: siwrcw03
Urban Legion?
15 posted on 04/30/2004 10:00:24 AM PDT by jpsb (Nominated 1994 "Worst writer on the net")
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To: el_texicano
"Quran (9:11) -- For it is written that a son of Arabia would awaken a fearsome Eagle. The wrath of the Eagle would be felt throughout the lands of Allah and lo, while some of the people trembled in despair still more rejoiced; for the wrath of the Eagle cleansed the lands of Allah; and there was peace."

WOW! Thank you so much for posting that. I'll have to pass it along....
16 posted on 04/30/2004 10:00:54 AM PDT by proud American in Canada
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To: el_texicano
Quran (9:11) -- For it is written that a son of Arabia would awaken a fearsome Eagle. The wrath of the Eagle would be felt throughout the lands of Allah and lo, while some of the people trembled in despair still more rejoiced; for the wrath of the Eagle cleansed the lands of Allah; and there was peace.

Can this be confirmed. It sounds too much like Nostra Damos.

17 posted on 04/30/2004 10:01:51 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: proud American in Canada
oops.... guess I should learn to read the whole thread before posting.
18 posted on 04/30/2004 10:01:56 AM PDT by proud American in Canada
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To: mikegi
it depends on which people are cheering. not all the residents of fallujah are insurgents or terrorists. it would be perfectly legitimate for them to want to see one of their own people in charge of security.

we'll know whether Saleh is one of the enemy when and if the insurgents start celebrating in the streets with AK47s, and go unchecked. then we will know we've been had, and at that point, Bush will have to start firing some of these field commanders if indeed they are making these decisions.
19 posted on 04/30/2004 10:01:56 AM PDT by oceanview
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To: el_texicano
"Origins: No, this isn't a legitimate quotation from the Quran (or Koran), the sacred text of Islam. The chapter and verse citation quoted above is a leg-pull, an obvious play on the USA's (the Eagle) launching of military action against Afghanistan and Iraq (the "lands of Allah") in response to the September 11 terrorist attacks on America organized by Osama bin Laden (the "son of Arabia awakening a fearsome eagle"). That the chapter and verse selection match the date of the terrorist attacks (9:11) is another giveaway to the joke."

Snopes Urban Legends

20 posted on 04/30/2004 10:02:39 AM PDT by Lloyd227
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