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Fallujah pullback opportunity, not necessarily agreement to end fight: Abizaid (MUST READ!!!)
AFP ^ | Fri, Apr 30, 2004 | AFP

Posted on 04/30/2004 9:47:18 AM PDT by Eurotwit

WASHINGTON (AFP) - The withdrawal of marines from Fallujah is "an opportunity, not necessarily an agreement" to end fighting for the city, the commander of US forces in Iraq (news - web sites) said, warning that military action may still be needed to root out foreign fighters.

General John Abizaid said the United States will not tolerate foreign fighters in the city, and will insist on heavy weapons coming off the streets and on freedom of movement for marines and Iraqi security forces.

He said it should be understood that "what we have there is an opportunity, and not necessarily an agreement."

"The opportunity is to build an Iraqi security force from former elements of the army that will work under the command of coalition forces and that will be mentored and work next to coalition forces," he told Pentagon (news - web sites) reporters in a video teleconference from Qatar.

"And I think we must be very careful in thinking that this effort to build an Iraqi capacity will necessarily calm down the situation in Fallujah tonight or over the next several days," he said.

Abizaid said all military options remained "on the table."

"It may still be necessary to conduct very robust military operations in Fallujah. We hope we don't have to do that," he said.

The general, who heads the US Central Command, singled out the need to get rid of foreign fighters -- and in particular Abu Mussab Zarqawi, who he said had used Fallujah as a base of operations.

"This idea that there will be a safe haven for him (Zarqawi) is absolutely unacceptable. Nor will we or our Iraqi partners allow foreign fighters to freely roam the country and attack indiscriminately and use Iraqi civilians as shields from which to conduct military operations," he said.

He said even the best Iraqi forces would be unable to bring Zarqawi's fighters under control.

"So we will have to eliminate that enemy in a way that does not allow that force to challenge us throughout Iraq and other places at other times. No doubt some will infiltrate out, and some will find other means to escape," he said.

Strikingly, Abizaid made no specific mention of former members of the old regime's security apparatus who are believed to be leading the insurgency in the Sunni heartland, including Fallujah.

The omission suggested that commanders hope the new force led by a former Iraqi major general will neutralize Baathist insurgents.

The general said he did not know Major General Jassem Mohamed Saleh, who will lead the Iraq Protection Army, a new Iraqi security force that will take over positions inside the city from the marines.

Iraqis cheered and waved flags as Saleh entered the city Friday, as marines began their withdrawal from the city, pulling down barbed wire defenses from around the soda factory that had served as their headquarters in the city's southern industrial area.

"Yes, there is some room for optimism there," Abizaid said. "But the details of how we will build an Iraqi security capacity there will take some time. We need to have some patience."

"It is a possible breakthrough, but certainly the conditions that must be met are foremost on our minds, and that has to do with the restoring of law and order in Fallujah," he said.

Asked about the fate of those who killed four US contractors in the city March 31, setting off the confrontation, Abizaid said getting them was a "non-negotiable objective."

"Now, I think it would be a stretch for you to say they are in Fallujah. I can't tell you that, nor can anyone else," he added.


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: falluah; fallujah; ipa; iraq; iraqiarmy; iraqibrigade; iraqprotectionarmy; jassemsaleh
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To: jpsb; Ernest_at_the_Beach; oceanview; Cap Huff
I'll say this upfront to all of you ....I'm not happy about what is going on in Fallujah .....but will take a wait and see attitude.

Something happened.....and I can't put my finger on it..........this Iraqi General came out of left field to suddenly.....I see wretchard in his blog is a tad confused also.

Oceanview you asked what I thought....I think we have left Special Ops and Special Forces behind in Fallujah.

81 posted on 04/30/2004 11:09:50 AM PDT by Dog (In Memory of Pat Tillman ---- ---- ---- American Hero.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Bump to read later.
Thanks, Ernest
82 posted on 04/30/2004 11:09:53 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1/5 1st Mar Div. Nam 69&70 Semper Fi http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com)
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To: swarthyguy
Yea, that is make take too. I am being to see the Iraqis strategy here.

One city at a time raise hell and get concessions from the superior Americans forces. The Iraqis know the US does not want to go house to house, so they can force the US to the negotiating table one city at a time. Sunnis in their cities, Shiites in their cities each trying to get the upper hand over the other. Meanwhile the US avoids major engagements but must suffer low intensity warfare against our troops.

But the real losers are the terrorists, who will slowly be eliminated from Iraq one city at a time.

Might work out well for us and Iraq over the long haul, if the Iraqis can be trusted to eliminate the terrorists once they are given control over a city. Fallujah will be the test for the Sunnis, Sadar City (Bagdad) for the Shiites, which, my guess is the next test.

83 posted on 04/30/2004 11:10:37 AM PDT by jpsb (Nominated 1994 "Worst writer on the net")
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To: oceanview
"if the insurgents and this military unit become indistinguishable, then I agree we've been had."

Not at all-then we let the USMC finish cleaning houe.
84 posted on 04/30/2004 11:10:37 AM PDT by Gucho
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
If we’re simply delaying the collapse of Fallujah until the FPA is ready to police it, that would be wonderful. Perhaps there’s hope.
85 posted on 04/30/2004 11:11:37 AM PDT by elfman2
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To: oceanview
see 83
86 posted on 04/30/2004 11:12:15 AM PDT by jpsb (Nominated 1994 "Worst writer on the net")
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To: Miss Marple; Cap Huff; Ernest_at_the_Beach
. I had no idea that there were Iraqi troops training in Jordan.

I remember reading something about that force training in Jordan.

Let me see what I can dig up..

87 posted on 04/30/2004 11:12:57 AM PDT by Dog (In Memory of Pat Tillman ---- ---- ---- American Hero.)
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To: Gucho
yeah but, the "house" will have gotten MUCH bigger if that comes to pass. right now, we have shaped the battlefield in fallujah to narrow the insurgents into 2 or 3 neighboorhoods. we focus on those for snipers, gunship attacks, laser guided bombing, etc. if we turn this thing over, and the sh*t hits the fan all over the city, what are we going to do?
88 posted on 04/30/2004 11:13:17 AM PDT by oceanview
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To: liz44040
yes, nothing major, but WABC radio made a point to mention it was taking place DURING the press conference.
89 posted on 04/30/2004 11:14:12 AM PDT by oceanview
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To: oceanview
"then is it worth a front assault and a house to house engagement"

never, but it mught be worth some B52's or lots of heavy artillery.

90 posted on 04/30/2004 11:14:29 AM PDT by jpsb (Nominated 1994 "Worst writer on the net")
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To: No Blue States
Didn't Reagan say that military options were "on the table" when he "redeployed" the troops from Lebanon? BTW, I think that Reagan was right to to this....but that is another issue.
91 posted on 04/30/2004 11:15:29 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: Dog
indeed Dog, "something" happened to change the approach. You are exactly right, its confusing and its hard to put a finger on it.
92 posted on 04/30/2004 11:16:06 AM PDT by oceanview
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To: Eurotwit
checkout 83, the light just turned on.
93 posted on 04/30/2004 11:16:07 AM PDT by jpsb (Nominated 1994 "Worst writer on the net")
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To: Miss Marple
You made the same connection on the Jordan attack that I did after reading the note!

Wonder when the commanders in Baghdad are going to have a televised briefing that might be viewable over here. Of course they may prefer to let the press continue with all of their wild statements. To discredit the press to some degree perhaps?
94 posted on 04/30/2004 11:16:08 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: oceanview
Well...the "Republican Guard" insurgents you identify should feel right at home, right now since a former "Republican Guard" general has now been in charge of the city, right?
95 posted on 04/30/2004 11:17:19 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: jpsb
You are somewhat correct.....we are playing the Sunni's against the Shia. Fallujah will not be settled until you hear that there is a settlement in Najaf.

I saw a report that we might allow a force of Iraqis to patrol Najaf so we don't have to.....see a pattern? We are putting the Iraqis out front.

97 posted on 04/30/2004 11:18:16 AM PDT by Dog (In Memory of Pat Tillman ---- ---- ---- American Hero.)
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To: Dog
I think we have attritued the bad guys and have the remainder cornered and I don't think all of the Marines are leaving.
98 posted on 04/30/2004 11:18:16 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: swarthyguy
Marines leaving? You believe the press reports also?
100 posted on 04/30/2004 11:20:06 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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