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To: don-o
Sink, do you thing the Bishops should zip the lip on the issue of Kerry amd the Eucharist?

I think the bishops should continue to put the onus on Kerry; to insist that he should examine his support of abortion in light of the teaching of the Church.

I don't want the Church to influence the election in Kerry's favor, and I fear a photo-op of Kerry being refused could do just that.

That may sound pragmatic, but much more than the Church's policy is at stake in this election.

18 posted on 04/26/2004 6:22:38 PM PDT by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
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To: sinkspur
OK. What about integrity and not causing scandal to those who actually take the teachings seriously?
21 posted on 04/26/2004 6:42:27 PM PDT by don-o (Stop Freeploading. Do the right thing and sign up for a monthly donation.)
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To: sinkspur
I don't want the Church to influence the election in Kerry's favor, and I fear a photo-op of Kerry being refused could do just that.

No way. If the bishops thought it would help Kerry, they would excommunicate him in a heartbeat.

No, Kerry and the bishops know that Kerry needs the mass attending Catholics to vote for him to win. They know he will lose the vote of the mass attending Catholics if he is formally denied communion.

That is the bottom line...they WANT Kerry to win, so they WILL NOT refuse him the Eucharist.

24 posted on 04/26/2004 6:48:18 PM PDT by Polycarp IV (PRO-LIFE orthodox Catholic--without exception, without compromise, without apology. Any questions?)
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To: sinkspur
"I think the bishops should continue to put the onus on Kerry; to insist that he should examine his support of abortion in light of the teaching of the Church.

I don't want the Church to influence the election in Kerry's favor, and I fear a photo-op of Kerry being refused could do just that.

That may sound pragmatic, but much more than the Church's policy is at stake in this election."

So, what you have in the eyes of the faithful :
1. A politician, who supports and promotes a practice that is in direct contradiction with the teachings of the Church ( note, I do not use 'policy', because this is not a political issue, 'pragmatic' arguments to the contrary )
2. By inaction or equivocation, the Catholic bishops in concert allow the obvious actions of Kerry to create scandal
3. Kerry continues to figuratively rub the noses of Catholic faithful into the pile of crap
4. Voices claim that nothing should be done because of the 'greater good'

So, this leaves with two choices:
1. The Catholic church, as evidenced by its shepherds, the Bishops, condones by inaction or equivocation, the very public actions of Kerry, thereby claiming that the Vatican and the teachings of the Church ( which span 2,000 years, BTW ) are bunk.
2. The Catholic church, via the Bishops, affirms the Vatican and the teachings of the Church, and decides to take actions against very vocal and public politicians who are creating scandal in the Church. (Mind you, the Church took action against its 'Defender of the Faith' for his decided search for a mother for his heir. )

Explain again, what is serving 'the greater good'?

43 posted on 04/26/2004 7:20:51 PM PDT by Tench_Coxe
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