To: Arrowhead1952; All
I say this with a questioning attitude...
You all believe topless bars are good for a culture. They produce positive rolls for young men and women and their relationships?
5 posted on
04/22/2004 6:08:11 AM PDT by
Vision
(Always Faithful)
To: Vision
The word is "role" as in "role model."
6 posted on
04/22/2004 6:11:19 AM PDT by
Redbob
To: Vision
Parents provide role models for their children; my role model, even today, is my father and my grandfather. Topless bars provide entertainment. If the kids are looking for role models outside of friends and family, then that family has Issues. If they are looking for role models at any sort of bar, its hopeless.
8 posted on
04/22/2004 6:14:10 AM PDT by
Little Ray
(John Ffing sKerry: Just a gigolo!)
To: Vision
You, not you personal, cannot legislate morals.
If people want to go to a topless nightclub/bar/dancing establishment, they will. Whether or not it is legal.
If it's legal and the people, NOT the governor OR the legislature, want to charge you, again not you personal, $5 a pop to enter, then so be it.
I, personally, do not believe that places such as this produce positive roll models for young men or young women, however I do know a number of women who put themselves through college by dancing, or waitressing, at topless or nudie clubs and are now upstanding citizens that ANY young women would do well to emulate.
It's not the place, it's the person.
11 posted on
04/22/2004 6:18:13 AM PDT by
Just another Joe
(Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
To: Vision
You all believe topless bars are good for a culture. They produce positive rolls for young men and women and their relationships? Don't be a dishonest jerk. That isn't the argument, and you know it.
Of course the titty bars should be shut down. But Last-Name-of-the-Month is no more likely to do it than any other politician. She is demagoguing the issue to score points against Perry.
The bottom line to the whole thing is property taxes, and the old windbag is coming out on the wrong side of the issue.
17 posted on
04/22/2004 6:26:50 AM PDT by
hopespringseternal
(People should be banned for sophistry.)
To: Vision
No they may not be good for the culture but Texas has military bases and there is something unnatural if an Army base don't have pawn shops and strip clubs outside the front gate.
Hell if the soldiers just back from Iraq want to get drunk and look at naked women like soldiers since Ceaser has then I can't say I wouldn't let them.
30 posted on
04/22/2004 6:59:19 AM PDT by
Swiss
To: Vision
"You all believe topless bars are good for a culture. They produce positive rolls for young men and women and their relationships?"
No one said that.
Christians insisting that society conform to their morals are inviting justification for folks like PETA, or ELF, or any other popular, political correctness organization to insist on the same for them, which, of course, would be contrary to FREEDOM.
What is YOUR agenda? A legislated revival?
Don't get me wrong, I don't want any topless bars in my neighborhood, or yours, or anywhere. I don't want the proliferation of pornography that crowds our news stands(and television, and mainstream magazines, etc.)either. However, if we can outlaw porn, or whatever people want to call the sex industry, our Bibles could be next.
37 posted on
04/22/2004 7:15:53 AM PDT by
Blue Collar Christian
(Are these leftists stupid or evil or both? ><BCC>)
To: Vision
You all believe topless bars are good for a culture. They produce positive rolls for young men and women and their relationships?
Good question..... but not the topic of the concern in the Legislature.... Now if the Legislature initiates legislation to ban them your question merits discussion...
However the question before the Legislature is school funding and how to do it. The Gov. has proposed a fee/tax on patrons frequenting topless bars..... It appears you may not approve. But as long as they aren't going to be banned or legislated out of existence then they seemed to be available as one of many options of raising a few dollars.... jmo and you have yours.
39 posted on
04/22/2004 7:33:55 AM PDT by
deport
(To a dog all roads lead home.......)
To: Vision
You all believe topless bars are good for a culture. They produce positive rolls for young men and women and their relationships?In a good topless club, you won't see any rolls...
To: Vision
You all believe topless bars are good for a culture. They produce positive rolls for young men and women and their relationships? Texas has a culture that is refreshing and fun. If a few topless bars need to be tolerated to keep the essential freedom one feels while in the state, I am for it. (Besides, if you don't want to be in one, you know what to do.)
I've been around the country, and Texans are friendly, and courteous. And yes, we had a luncheon (when I worked in Austin) and we went to one of those bars. Surprise, it was not dark and sleazy inside (yeah maybe this was a good one). Then we went back to work, all hopped up on testosterone. It was OK.
I'm all for regulation, and a community has a perfect right to zone where these institutions can exist, but I would rather have few places where vice is tolerated than live in a local where no vices are allowed. (And there are some of those around too.) Which community produces the most positive roll models for the young men and women is open for debate. Most of this should come from home anyway.
87 posted on
04/22/2004 9:35:20 AM PDT by
KC_for_Freedom
(Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
To: Vision
no, but... I don't see them as particularly harmful by their intrinsic nature, either.
104 posted on
04/22/2004 11:42:28 AM PDT by
King Prout
(poets and philosophers should NEVER pretend to Engineering... especially SOCIAL Engineering!)
To: Vision
"You all believe topless bars are good for a culture. They produce positive rolls for young men and women and their relationships?"They have about the same negative effect on culture as politicians, lawyers and corporate executives!
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