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To: B4Ranch
B4:

I think you are a little confused. The FBI did not "cast aside" any of its informants due to Washington, D.C. politics.

The Bureau became aware of the post-FBI activities of some of its Agents and informants and concluded that those persons had become what the Bureau sarcastically referred to as "professional anti-Communists" -- i.e. persons who derive their income from speaking or writing about Communism and Communist activities.

As many memos make clear, former FBI informants would often speak on matters about which they had no knowledge OR where their knowledge was limited to a specific place or time frame. But organizations such as the JBS never bothered to determine what, exactly, such persons did or did not know -- i.e. the extent of their expertise.

In Julia Brown's case, the Bureau was quite concerned that if she "went public" via magazine articles, books, speeches, etc. she would expose as "Communists" local persons in Cleveland she had met who, unknown to her, in reality were FBI security informants within the Communist Party...and thus, end their usefulness to the Bureau.

As reports came into the Bureau of statements made by Julia (or Dan Smoot, Karl Prussion, and others) about various matters---it became apparent that these folks were presenting PERSONAL opinions which were not supported by data in FBI files or from FBI investigations and thus contradicted conclusions reached by the Bureau.

In many cases, those personal opinions were tailored to appeal to audiences who would then buy books, magazines, attend speeches, seminars, anti-Communist schools, etc. all of which generated income for "professional anti-Communists".

As Bureau memos make clear, the FBI thought many of the persons and groups formerly associated with the FBI were exploiting the GENUINE concerns of ordinary citizens about Communism primarily to generate a living for themselves.

In addition to the persons I mentioned previously, the Bureau also referred to Fred Schwarz and Billy James Hargis as "professional anti-Communists".

Ernie
17 posted on 04/11/2004 1:13:00 PM PDT by Ernie.cal
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To: Ernie.cal
"The FBI did not "cast aside" any of its informants due to Washington, D.C. politics."

By "cast aside", I meant that the Directors were/are not foolish men who are willing to put their careers on the line when the party in power actually is promoting socialist dogma. Therefore the reports from the spies and counter spies lost value in the daily reports to the White house.

Just another small question.
Due you believe that you are receiving your full FOIA requests from the Bureau?

The Pentagon still understood the value even when the White House didn't want to see the report.
That is not to say the Bureau didn't continue to use some of these men, they just had to be more careful who saw their reports.

The Bureau may designate myself as a "professional anti-Communist" because I have long understood the goals of communism and believe me it has nothing to do with democracy.

May I repeat these three questions;
Have you noticed that the growth of the various United Nations ideas sprouted during the mid 1960's? Do you comprehend the intentions of the United Nations? Do you believe they are pro or anti democracy.

22 posted on 04/11/2004 1:39:16 PM PDT by B4Ranch (“WE OFTEN GIVE OUR ENEMIES THE MEANS FOR OUR OWN DESTRUCTION.”)
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To: Ernie.cal
The term "professional anti-Communists" is a pejorative term used to disparage any opponent of Communism. Though I am sure you have "an official FBI document" that states that the term is never used that way.

For example, arguing that the belief that CPUSA was little more than a projection of Soviet policy, especially espionage, was false and "is an extremist position which had been largely debunked" the author (below) refers to the professional anti-Communists who are trying to revive the Cold War anti-Communist suspicion using their Soviet archives research.

Just thought you might want to know what your fellow researchers are going through from your side.

Reference Center for Marxist Studies, http://www.libr.org/rcms/interview.html

There is no doubt that "professional" federal informants cause problems, however. IMO the worst example is what happened to the Weaver family and we taxpayers paid millions as a result. The Weaver family paid with the lives of the mother and a son. The U.S. Marshalls paid with the loss of an agent and of course his family paid also.

BTW, during the Congressional hearings on Ruby Ridge informants identified other informants as members of so-called white supremacist groups. Informants virtually outnumbered real members.

40 posted on 04/11/2004 4:48:06 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (Benedict Arnold was a hero for both sides in the same war, too!)
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