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1 posted on 04/11/2004 11:30:11 AM PDT by Ernie.cal
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January 16, 1961
December 1950
December 1947

Are you a historian or just bored?
2 posted on 04/11/2004 11:38:45 AM PDT by B4Ranch (“WE OFTEN GIVE OUR ENEMIES THE MEANS FOR OUR OWN DESTRUCTION.”)
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Your research is very thorough and FR is a particularly interesting place to post it.
You have my compliments!
3 posted on 04/11/2004 11:44:49 AM PDT by LPM1888 (What are the facts? Again and again and again -- what are the facts? - Lazarus Long)
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Ern, best to stick with your day job which you know more about.
4 posted on 04/11/2004 11:46:58 AM PDT by cynicom
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I expect the Birch Society has its share of loonies, just like any other organization. But when we first got involved in politics, in 1972, it was because of the American Party, which stood for constitutional government. When we were licking envelopes for the American Party candidate, one of the people showed us the Bill of Rights, without telling us what it was. Bear in mind that we were products of the public schools.

He asked us what we thought about it, and we said that we thought it was pretty radical. Then he told us what it was.

We subsequently learned that the American Party in Florida at that time was the John Birch Society. We learned a great deal, and as time goes on, I find that the JBS made a lot of sense.

We have not been part of the JBS since that time, but without it, we might never have learned that we have freedoms that are being trampled on.

Carolyn

7 posted on 04/11/2004 12:01:37 PM PDT by CDHart
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My father was a member of the JBS. He never talked about it to me so after he died I decided to see what I could learn about them. I bought books and went to their website. After reading a lot of their literature I came to the conclusion that basically they were anticommunists. You have a problem with that? If so, by the looks of what few responders you are getting, I suggest you post it over on D.U. You will get more input to help your ego. By the way, trashing the persons personally is a great left wing tactic.
8 posted on 04/11/2004 12:06:03 PM PDT by fish hawk
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From your web page:

"What, exactly, did Mr. Welch and the JBS mean when they repeatedly referred to "Communist influence and control"?"

Well, if the question were to be asked today, the answer would be self-evident, unless you in that number who do not recognize that the Democrat party has been the tool for changing our Republic into a liberal, socialistic democracy.

Even back then when the question was asked, it was evident to many. The only difference between then and today is that today the commies in government brag openly of their agenda to socialize the nation -- and one half of the population is more than willing to live the life of a couch potato while allowing government to forcibly make the other half of the population pay for their couches and potatoes.

11 posted on 04/11/2004 12:19:27 PM PDT by Eastbound
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I only know about the JBS by reading about the Kennedy assassination. MG Edwin A. Walker was relieved of command of the 24th ID in April 61 because he was preaching "pro blue" to his troops. Pro Blue, as I've learned, was anti-communist, JBS material. Of course, Walker was the one Oswald supposedly took a shot at, I believe, exactly 41 years ago today while he was doing his taxes in his Dallas home. I've always thought that Walker was somehow connected to the assassination because he hated JFK so much.

Thoughts?
28 posted on 04/11/2004 2:08:48 PM PDT by leadpenny
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It seems that now the JBS is into :

Stopping FTAA

Getting us out of the UN

Providing Americans with non-partisan reports of their Representative's voting records

Preserving the Constitution

Calling for support for local police

Reclaiming the Panama Canal.

The ba$tards. What an agenda. Who could theese people be?

FREEPERS?
29 posted on 04/11/2004 2:10:09 PM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get)
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Before I start, Ernie.cal, if you feeeeeeeeel you must reply keep it public -- no emails this time please.

Here are some facts on just one of the disparaged Americans, Matt Cvetic.

Matt Cvetic had knowledge of the Slav languages. In the early 1940s when he was contacted by the FBI that was a big plus because that meant he was well qualified to infiltrate the higher echelon of the Soviet apparatus in the U.S.

Mr. Cvetic could not get into the armed services at just 5'4" according to his friend George Putnam. The service he was to perform for his country would be unpaid the FBI told him until he reached the goal of becoming a Communist Party member. His personal sacrifice for America would be as great as most uniformed service members in terms of putting everything behind including his family. He kept his employment at the United States Employment Service in Pittsburgh.

As the 1940s passed Mr. Cvetic paid a heavy price in terms of being under constant watch by CPUSA and becoming despised by Americans for being a CPUSA member. (His family and friends weren't in the self-described "intellectual" class, they were Americans, they didn't "understand" how harmless and good Uncle Joe Stalin was.) Described by some as "a hard-drinking lout" but unlike the fat drunk, pickled-brained Ted Kennedy super rich liberals of America Mr. Cvetic's drinking disqualifies his accomplishments because he is "on the wrong side." That's the spin.

He was never a FBI agent. Over time he provided tons of information on the CPUSA and its members. Thus he is an enemy of America's chattering class and their fringe elements.

His major crime, beyond being anti-communist, was being the inspiration for radio and movie dramas. A no-no, reaches too many people. Bad for the silly twits and self-described "intellectuals."

Americans like Herb Philbrick and Mr. Cvetic, real-life volunteer undercover agents for America's FBI throughout most of the forties, had an inside view of characters straight out of a Monty Python movie swooning over Uncle Joe Stalin. Yes, people love Uncle Joe's quest for a workers' paradise to this day. As silly as they are some of them are dangerous.

34 posted on 04/11/2004 3:38:25 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (Benedict Arnold was a hero for both sides in the same war, too!)
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There are times when I wonder about people on here; they run around stomping out flaming ants while their pants are on fire.
62 posted on 04/11/2004 9:42:49 PM PDT by Old Professer
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"...endeavors wrongly sought to capitalize on his..."

"...so as to derive monetary gain from her..."

"...she was "financially ambitious" (i.e. prospects for speaking tours, articles for a national publication, or book, etc)"

It sounds like whoever wrote this has some kind of problem with capitalism.

Julia claimed that the NAACP was "badly infiltrated" by Communists

This is the only charge made by any of these anti-communists that is addressed. The rest is pure ad hominem.

Bond blasts Bush, anti-terrorism, & "J. Edgar Ashcroft" at NAACP convention (Major barf alert) - - "The FBI tried to disrupt the civil rights movement. They wanted to smear Martin Luther King Jr. They not only wanted him discredited, they wanted him dead, threatening him with the release of damaging information if he did not commit suicide. We thought we had put a stop to Hoover's program of spies and lies in the 1970s after its abuses were exposed. Now under the guise of fighting terrorism, the FBI is going back to spying on abating citizens." - Veteran "civil rights" leader Julian Bond

KING'S “DREAM” BECOMES A NIGHTMARE - Billy Thye of the American Indian Movement said the real terrorist in the world was the U.S. government, while Obi Egbuna of the Pan African Liberation Organization praised black racist Zimbabwe President Robert Mugabe and urged the lifting of the economic embargo of communist Cuba. He said, “We must stand behind Mugabe,” whose policies are starving half of his population. On the other hand, he branded U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell “a murderer.”

The NAACP is a commie front. They are friends of Fidel. They get fat off of making sure that blacks in America stay "immiserated."

73 posted on 04/12/2004 12:50:01 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe ("As government expands, liberty contracts.")
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Consider me neutral on the JBS, primarily because I'm not that familiar with them.

So...

What is your motivation for putting so much effort into debunking the JBS?
92 posted on 04/12/2004 12:41:19 PM PDT by kidd
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Thanks for posting your findings!
98 posted on 04/12/2004 1:18:26 PM PDT by DoctorMichael (The Fourth Estate is a Fifth Column!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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I remember when I joined the Marine Corps back in 1970, there was a list of organizations everyone was asked if they belonged to. (subversive orgs. and others) The John Birch Society was one of those on the list.
157 posted on 04/16/2004 9:29:03 PM PDT by mtg
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