Human Tidal Wave Spills Over Border

NewsMax ^ | Apr. 08, 2004 | Patrick Mallon

[Torie]

The US can handle the lower number, without the gotterdamrung scenario of your ilk. That is my judgment. I am in favor of jailing employers who hire illegals, and having a system that identifies illegals applying for a job, which goes into a national data bank, for each and every one who is hired. That would shut the whole thing down, or most of it, if implemented. But almost none of the nativists on this site mention that approach. They just rant about having the military on the borders, or rounding up folks on the street. Sad.

[Joe Hadenuf]

The US can handle the lower number, without the gotterdamrung scenario of your ilk.

Too much coffee today Torie? What did I do to deserve that? If you could be specific.

National data bank eh? Look Torie, I too am in favor of jailing, and seizing the assets of those that knowingly, repeatedly, hire illegal aliens.

That would shut the whole thing down, or most of it, if implemented. But almost none of the nativists on this site mention that approach. They just rant about having the military on the borders, or rounding up folks on the street.

Torie, again that is not a factual statement, as there have been many very credible solutions offered, hundreds of times, here and everywhere else.

[WRhine]

I am in favor of jailing employers who hire illegals, and having a system that identifies illegals applying for a job, which goes into a national data bank, for each and every one who is hired. That would shut the whole thing down, or most of it, if implemented.

Torie, I have to say I am pleasantly surprised you said that. This action alone would go a long way towards turning the tide on illegal immigration.

But almost none of the nativists on this site mention that approach. They just rant about having the military on the borders, or rounding up folks on the street. Sad.

I don't know where you are coming from with that statement. There have been countless threads on FR over the years that have dealt with reasonable ways of solving the illegal immigration crisis. You act like you are the first one to come up with a solution. LOL. Tell that to Sabertooth or Marine Inspector and a few hunderd other posters that have offered intelligent solutions. Most of us, by the way, aren't into door to door searches for Illegals or mining the borders but if “Nativist” (love those high handed WSJ put downs) in your mind means wanting to protect America from INVASION then I guess I'm a Nativist.

[Torie]

Sabertooth and I have discussed this matter since prior to the time rocks cooled, and in detail. I am thoroughly aware of his opinions on this matter. I think I have it about right, but obviously, your mileage varies. Take care, and keep the faith.

[null and void]

It's a good thing these are all just Mexicans. Can you imaging what would be just down the road for the US if even 0.1% were terrorists?

[WRhine]

Sabertooth and I have discussed this matter since prior to the time rocks cooled, and in detail. I am thoroughly aware of his opinions on this matter. I think I have it about right, but obviously, your mileage varies. Take care, and keep the faith.

Well our mileage does vary but the best to you too.

[Brownie74]

No end in sight. There are hundreds of thousands of street children in Mexico who have no hopes if they stay there.

I know. I have been all through Mexico, Guatemala, El Salvador, Nicaragua, and Costa Rica. Things are tough down there but it is the responsibility of the people to fix their own country.

They are all proud people and proud people do not flee their own country to live in another country while maintaining their old identities.

We need a nation wide Prop. 187 type law that would cut off all of the freebies to these people. We also need to enforce our existing immigration laws.

As one FReeper put it; "If you turn off the light, the moths will go away".

[FierceDraka]

Thanks for the info. Living in Indiana, it's hard to get much information on what's REALLY going on down there.

[DumpsterDiver]

The Federally Approved Mexican Invasion of America goes from full-tilt into hyper-drive.

John F. Lehman: Were you aware that it was the U.S. government established policy not to question or oppose the sanctuary policies of New York, Los Angeles, Houston, Chicago, San Diego for political reasons, which policy in those cities prohibited the local police from cooperating at all with federal immigration authorities?

Condoleezza Rice: I do not believe I was aware of that.

Text of Condoleezza Rice's testimony on April 8, 2004 before the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States.
http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,116563,00.html

[Joe Hadenuf]

But almost none of the nativists on this site mention that approach. They just rant about having the military on the borders, or rounding up folks on the street. Sad.

Absolutely not true Torie.

The only sad thing here is you dodging the truth, as *thousands* of very credible solutions to this epic crisis have been repeated many times here and everywhere else. And you living in California should know, there have been historic propositions that have been voted for and passed. One of which I help work on for almost two years. The solutions to this crisis have been voiced here in California *THOUSANDS* of times. Hey Torie, want proof of this? Just turn on your AM radio any day of the week.

I don't know where you are coming from with that statement. There have been countless threads on FR over the years that have dealt with reasonable ways of solving the illegal immigration crisis.

WRhine, I completely agree, as I posted the same responce to Torie several posts up.

[Torie]

Hey guys, so you want to keep this discussion alive, I'll bite. What "solutions" have been proposed by you that do not involve border fortifications, or rounding the folks up on the street? By the way, I reject not educating the kids of the illegals through secondary school to the extent they are here (that is unfair to the kids, wrong and immoral in my mind), nor do I accept denying medical care to these folks, in part in order to avoid infectious diseases, and having to pay for emergency care later on.

A guest worker program has some attraction, but seem impracticable to implement.

Have at it. At least we seem to be able to chat without untoward acrimony, for which I salute you. Cheers.

[alexandria]

This makes me want to scream. I live in California am a single white woman with no children. I work a 40 hr week and side jobs just to be able to get by. ALL of the illegals I see drive a better newer car than mine and I pay my full rent amount not the amount left over from section 8 subsidies. After rent alone I have about $200.00 left for everything else. Why? Because landlords are getting guaranteed money from section 8 renters so they can ask for up to $1000.00 mo. for a two bedroom house. Never mind that the renters will trash the place and have hoards of people living there.
If Mexico is so bankrupt that immigration of this kind is necessary I say have that government relinquish it's control and we'll add it to the US as a territory controlled by the US. Maybe we can then make it livable.

[Torie]

One thousand for a two bedroom house eh? Whatever. I currently rent one out for $2250 a month. It is a cute Spanish and has 1150 square feet. One thousand will get you a hovel in a bad neighborhood, at least in the LA metro area.

[montag813]

“At this rate, well over a million illegals will slip by this year. Mixed in will be many thousands of OTM’s (non-Mexicans). Almost all looking for work, but some will be bad guys using this enormous hole in the homeland security fence."

How innocent this sounds. But the attempt to gain "Hispanic" votes will result in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Americans when the inevitable suitcase nuke(s)--which are snuck easily across our undefended borders-- are set off in the heart of our cities.