[rageaholic]

These people are at heart, primitive nomadic tribesmen. You think Democracy works on Untermench like this? The only thing that holds them together is whatever brutal dictatorship (Hussein) or ruthless occupying power (Ottoman Empire, British Empire) that happens to be in charge at the time.

Iraq wasn't ever a nation, just a balkanized assortment of dirtbag tribes with their idiotic hatreds. Better to divide the place up, keep the Kurdish part with the oil under our control, let the rest destroy themselves. We can come back after the ashes cool.

[keysguy]

The only thing the bad guys over there will respond to is force. The trick is to become advisers and let a Democratic Iraq(somethng that can't be achieved overnight) supply the needed force to keep the neanderthals in line. Anyone who thinks we can put a time table to achieve all this is mistaken. We still need to stop calling them(the supposed religious leaders) priests,clerics or imams and describe them for what they are; terrorists.

[John Frum]

Iraq isn't a nation. You cannot go out to a restaurant for "Iraqi food". They don't have a culture, or much of anything else of value except for petrolchemicals. Whatever they have is basically an amalgam they've stolen from other neighboring areas, like persia (Iran), Turkey, etc. Islamists don't relate to democracy, which is fine; its too good for them.