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FRESH CLUE SHOWS TURIN SHROUD MAY BE GENUINE BURIAL CLOTH OF CHRIST
The Mirror ^ | April 2, 2004 | David Edwards

Posted on 04/05/2004 7:13:37 AM PDT by NYer

IT'S been called the longest-running hoax in history - an 800-year-old religious riddle that's taken in popes, scientists and believers from all faiths.

The Turin Shroud has been either worshipped as divine proof that Christ was resurrected from the grave or dismissed as a fraud created by medieval forgers.

But new evidence suggests the shroud might be genuine after all.

HAUNTING: The face on the shroud

As Mel Gibson's film The Passion Of The Christ rekindles interest in Jesus, stitching on the shroud which could have been created only during the messiah's lifetime has been uncovered.

At the same time, tests from 1988 that dated the shroud to between 1260 and 1390 have been thrown into doubt.

Swedish textiles expert Dr Mechthild Flury-Lemberg, who discovered the seam at the back of the cloth during a restoration project, says: "There have been attempts to date the shroud from looking at the age of the material, but the style of sewing is the biggest clue.

"It belongs firmly to a style seen in the first century AD or before."

Her findings are being hailed as the most significant since 1988, when scientists controversially carbon-dated the 14ft-long cloth to medieval times, more than 1,000 years after Jesus died.

Yet experts now say the team unwittingly used cloth that had been added during a 16th-century restoration and it could have been contaminated from handling.

Mark Guscin, of the British Society for the Turin Shroud, says: "The discovery of the stitching along with doubt about the carbon-dating all add to the mountain of evidence suggesting this was probably the shroud Jesus was buried in.

"Scientists have been happy to dismiss it as a fake, but they have never been able to answer the central question of how the image of that man got on to the cloth."

Barrie Schwortz, who in 1978 took part in the first scientific examination of the shroud, says: "I was a cynic before I saw it, but I am now convinced this is the cloth that wrapped Jesus of Nazareth after he was crucified."

THE history of the cloth - which bears the ghostly image of a bearded man - is steeped in mystery.

The first documented reference was in 1357, when it was displayed in a church in Lirey, France. The cloth astonished Christians as it showed a man wearing a crown of thorns and bearing wounds on his front, back and right-hand side.

He also had a wrist wound, which confused some pilgrims who thought Jesus was nailed to the cross through his hands. Scientists have since discovered the wrists were used as the hands could not support the body's weight.

Before it arrived in France, it is thought the shroud was known as the Edessa burial sheet, given to King Abgar V by one of Jesus's disciples.

For the next 1,200 years it was kept hidden in the Iraqi city, brought out only for religious festivals. In 944 it is thought to have turned up in Constantinople, Turkey, before being stolen by the French knight Geoffrey de Charny during the Fourth Crusades.

It soon became Europe's most-revered religious artefact, although it was scorched in a fire in 1532. In 1578 it was moved to Turin in northern Italy and was frequently paraded through the streets to huge crowds.

Yet while the shroud attracts hundreds of thousands of pilgrims when it goes on display, it was not photographed until 1898. The photographer, Secondo Pia, was amazed at the incredible depth and detail revealed on the negative.

There were even rumours that the shroud had healing qualities after the British philanthropist Leonard Cheshire took a disabled girl to see it in 1955. After being given permission to touch it, 10-year-old Josephine Woollam made a full recovery.

But it wasn't until 1978 that scientists were allowed to examine the shroud for the first time.

The Shroud of Turin Research Project spent 120 hours examining the cloth in minute detail but was unable to explain how the image had got there. Barrie Schwortz, the project's photographer, says: "We did absolutely every test there was to try to find out how that image had got there.

"We used X-rays, ultra-violet light, spectral imaging and photographed every inch of it in the most minute detail, but we still couldn't come up with any answers.

"We weren't a bunch of amateurs. We had scientists who had worked on the first atomic bomb and the space programme, yet we still couldn't say how the image got there. The only things we could say was what it isn't: that it isn't a photograph and it wasn't a painting.

"It's clear that there has been a direct contact between the shroud and a body, which explains certain features such as the blood, but science just doesn't have an answer of how the image of that body got on to it."

A SECOND study was carried out in 1988, when scientists cut a sliver from the edge of the shroud and subjected it to carbon-dating.

Carbon has a fixed rate of decay, which means that it is possible to accurately measure when the plant materials that formed the basis of the cloth were harvested.

The announcement that the shroud was a fake was made on October 13, 1988, at the British Museum. Scientists compared those who still thought the shroud was authentic to flat-earthers.

It led to the humiliating spectacle of the then Cardinal of Turin, Anastasio Alberto Ballestrero, admitting the garment was a hoax.

The Catholic Church also accepted the scientists' findings - an embarrassing admission given that Pope John Paul II had kissed the shroud eight years earlier.

But experts now say the carbon-dating results are wrong. Ian Wilson, co-author of The Turin Shroud: Unshrouding The Mystery, says they were flawed from the moment the sample was taken.

He says: "What I found quite incredible was that when they had all the scientists there and ready to go, an argument started about where the sample would come from.

"This went on for some considerable time before a very bad decision was made that the cutting would come from a corner that we know was used for holding up the shroud and which would have been more contaminated than anywhere else."

Marc Guscin, author of Burial Cloths Of Christ, believes the most compelling evidence for the shroud's authenticity comes from a small, blood-soaked cloth kept in a cathedral in Oviedo, northern Spain.

The Sudarium is believed to have been used to cover Jesus's head after he died and, unlike the shroud, its history has been traced back to the first century. It contains blood from the rare AB group found on the shroud.

Mark says: "Laboratory tests have shown that these two cloths were used on the same body.

"The fact that the Sudarium has been revered for so long suggests it must have held special significance for people. Everything points towards this cloth being used on the body of Jesus of Nazareth."

Yet despite the latest discoveries, there are still many sceptics.

Professor Stephen Mattingly, from the University of Texas, says the image could have been created by bacteria which flourish on the skin after death. "This is not a miracle," he says. "It's a physical object, so there has to be a scientific explanation. With the right conditions, it could happen to anyone. We could all make our own Turin Shroud."

Another theory, put forward by South African professor Nicholas Allen, is that the image was an early form of photography.

However fierce the controversy, the shroud is still a crowd-puller. When it last went on display in 2000, more than three million people saw it. Many more visitors are expected when it next goes on show in 2025.

Mark believes the argument will rage on. He says: "The debate will go on and on because nobody can prove one way or another if this was the shroud that covered the body of Jesus. There simply isn't a scientific test of 'Christness'.

"But there are lots of pointers to suggest it was."



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1 posted on 04/05/2004 7:13:38 AM PDT by NYer
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2 posted on 04/05/2004 7:15:36 AM PDT by Support Free Republic (Don't be a nuancy boy)
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In the 1930's, French Shroud scholar Paul Vignon described a series of common characteristics visible in many early artistic depictions of Jesus. The Vignon marking, as they are known, all appear on the Shroud suggesting that it is the source of later pictures of Jesus.
 

  • A square U-shape  between the eyebrows. 
  • A downward pointing triangle or V-shape just below the U-shape, on the bridge of the nose.
  • Two wisps of hair going downward and then to the right.
  • A raised right eyebrow. 
  • Large, seemingly "owlish" eyes. This may be the result of coins placed over the eyes.
  • An accent on the left cheek and an accent on the right cheek that is somewhat lower.
  • A forked beard. Dr. Whanger (see below) has suggested that this may the result of a chin band tied around the head to keep the mouth closed.
  • An enlarged left nostril. 
  • An accent line below the nose and a dark line just below the lower lip. 
  • A gap in the beard below the lower lip. 
  • Hair on one side of the head that is shorter than on the other side.

Christ Pantocrator, c. 1100 from dome of Church at Daphni, near Athens. Note U at bridge of nose, triangle on nose, raised right eyebrow, uneven hair, owlish eyes. 

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3 posted on 04/05/2004 7:17:08 AM PDT by NYer (The Maronite, works, builds, and plants as if he is celebrating the liturgy. - Father Michel HAYEK)
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To: NYer
For the next 1,200 years it was kept hidden in the Iraqi city, brought out only for religious festivals. In 944 it is thought to have turned up in Constantinople, Turkey

Editor! Timeline trouble in Aisle 5!

4 posted on 04/05/2004 7:19:08 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (You can see it coming like a train on a track.)
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To: NYer
"Mark Guscin, of the British Society for the Turin Shroud, says: "The discovery of the stitching along with doubt about the carbon-dating all add to the mountain of evidence suggesting this was probably the shroud Jesus was buried in."

Well, that's quite a stretch. I'd like to believe that, but isn't it possible, nay likely, that a given shroud from a given time period was used to bury someone other than Jesus?
5 posted on 04/05/2004 7:19:30 AM PDT by Flightdeck (Death is only a horizon)
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To: Swordmaker

Just as DNA and forensic science are proving guilt or innocence, forensics have also been used to document that Christianity's most treasured existing relic is indeed 2,000 years old, dating from the time of Christ.

The details of this historic confirmation will be unveiled in Secrets of the Dead Shroud of Christ, premiering Wednesday, April 7, at 9 PM on UNC-TV. Shroud of Christ documents the authenticity of the fabric experts’ work, revisits the forensic science community’s many attempts to accurately date the Shroud and follows bacteriologists’ quest to prove scientifically once and for all how the relic came to be. Featured in this special—and available for interviews—are two key experts: Barrie M. Schwortz and Dr. Stephen Mattingly.

FORENSIC VALIDATION FOR SHROUD OF TURIN!

6 posted on 04/05/2004 7:19:40 AM PDT by NYer (The Maronite, works, builds, and plants as if he is celebrating the liturgy. - Father Michel HAYEK)
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To: NYer
FRESH CLUE SHOWS TURIN SHROUD MAY BE GENUINE BURIAL CLOTH OF CHRIST

How?

7 posted on 04/05/2004 7:20:36 AM PDT by RoughDobermann
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To: NYer
Until something uncontrovertable comes along, I will remain firmly on the side of those that say its the longest running hoax in history.
8 posted on 04/05/2004 7:22:25 AM PDT by Badeye
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To: Flightdeck
I was going to copy and paste the exact same quote. A pretty over the top statement by that guy.
9 posted on 04/05/2004 7:24:07 AM PDT by The G Man (John Kerry? America just can't afford a 9/10 President in a 9/11 world. Vote Bush-Cheney '04.)
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To: Flightdeck
Well, that's quite a stretch. I'd like to believe that, but isn't it possible, nay likely, that a given shroud from a given time period was used to bury someone other than Jesus?

As far as anyone knows, Jesus was the only victim of crucifixion that wore a crown of thorns and had his side pierced. These wounds are clearly visible on the shroud.

Check the links provided.

10 posted on 04/05/2004 7:24:20 AM PDT by NYer (The Maronite, works, builds, and plants as if he is celebrating the liturgy. - Father Michel HAYEK)
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To: Badeye
Until something uncontrovertable comes along, I will remain firmly on the side of those that say its the longest running hoax in history.

There's the rub... Nothing ever will. The Shroud is an article of FAITH, not something that can ever be verified.

11 posted on 04/05/2004 7:24:56 AM PDT by RoughDobermann
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To: NYer; All
Interesting. this stuff fascinates me.

Okay. I may have just had a brain-storm.

Jesus is out of the House of David, right?

Are there any Jews living today that can trace their lineage that far back?

if a DNA sample could be gotten from the Shroud, and if a living decendant could be found to compare it to.....Maybe we could find out for sure?

12 posted on 04/05/2004 7:27:17 AM PDT by tiamat ("Just a Bronze-Age Gal, Trapped in a Techno World!")
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To: NYer
Duh!

Sorry about that!

You've already gone there....

that's what happens when you cook and Freep at the same time... you miss posts!
13 posted on 04/05/2004 7:29:08 AM PDT by tiamat ("Just a Bronze-Age Gal, Trapped in a Techno World!")
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To: NYer
The shroud devotees should read their bibles. Particularly John 20: 6-7

Obviously, that was NOT Jesus' shroud.

14 posted on 04/05/2004 7:31:30 AM PDT by mfulstone
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To: RoughDobermann
Yep. And I don't have a problem with others using "blind faith" in this regard.

Its just not for me.

I believe in God....I remain highly skeptical of the institutions Man has raised up in worship of God.
15 posted on 04/05/2004 7:32:26 AM PDT by Badeye
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To: Badeye
Until something uncontrovertable comes along, I will remain firmly on the side of those that say its the longest running hoax in history.

Even in science there is really no such thing as "uncontrovertable" when it comes to something like this. You act as if Carbon-14 dating is the definitive evidence in this case.

If you go back and look at all of the evidence related to the Shroud, you'll find (even before this latest piece of evidence was made known) that the probability of someone creating this on their own back in the 11th or 12th century was extremely remote. In particular, there is no question that the Shroud was "created" using a process that is identical to photography, when in fact photography was not invented until the 19th century. The notion that someone would develop a primitive form of technology 700 or 800 years earlier than this -- without leaving any other evidence of it for this period of time -- seems so highly improbable that I would consider it an "article of faith" that can't possibly be substantiated.

16 posted on 04/05/2004 7:34:46 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (Alberta -- the TRUE north strong and free.)
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To: NYer
The Shroud of Turin Research Project spent 120 hours examining the cloth in minute detail but was unable to explain how the image had got there. Barrie Schwortz, the project's photographer, says: "We did absolutely every test there was to try to find out how that image had got there.

"We used X-rays, ultra-violet light, spectral imaging and photographed every inch of it in the most minute detail, but we still couldn't come up with any answers.

"We weren't a bunch of amateurs. We had scientists who had worked on the first atomic bomb and the space programme, yet we still couldn't say how the image got there. The only things we could say was what it isn't: that it isn't a photograph and it wasn't a painting.

I was a graduate student in Chemistry when I attended the annual American Chemical Society convention and heard the speaker present the results from the studies of the shroud. I don't remember the name of the scientist who gave the talk, but I do remember that he introduced himself as an atheist who had joined the team in order to prove the shroud was a fake. After presenting, in detail, the scientific evidence for the authenticity of the shroud, he came to the question of what caused the image. He stood there and stated that Jesus of Nazareth, or whoever had been buried in that shroud, had emitted some kind of energy unknown to us that was responsible for the image. "Ladies and gentlemen", he added, "scientific honesty compels me to say that this man was raised from the dead!" There was no clapping at the end of his presentation, you could have heard the proverbial pin fall on the floor.

17 posted on 04/05/2004 7:35:57 AM PDT by Former Fetus (aren't we all?)
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To: RoughDobermann
The Shroud is an article of FAITH, not something that can ever be verified.

This is correct. The Shroud could be proven to be a hoax, but could never be proven to be the burial cloth of Christ. However, if it can't be proven to be a hoax, which it can't until the source of the image can be determined without doubt, then which is more likely, genuine or hoax? The longer it remains a mystery, the more likely its authenticity, in my opinion.

18 posted on 04/05/2004 7:36:16 AM PDT by trad_anglican
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To: NYer
"Ian Wilson, co-author of The Turin Shroud: Unshrouding The Mystery"

I am fascinated that Ian Wilson is quoted on the "pro" side. He is a very serious skeptic of all things "religious". He is tough-minded. But, all in all, I have always thought, fair( for a non-believer). For him to go on the record like this is, well, interesting.
19 posted on 04/05/2004 7:36:22 AM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: NYer
The Turin Shroud has been either worshipped as divine proof that Christ was resurrected from the grave or dismissed as a fraud created by medieval forgers.

Stupid either/or.

"Scientists have been happy to dismiss it as a fake, but they have never been able to answer the central question of how the image of that man got on to the cloth."

More accurately, "Scientists who are devotees of the pseudo-science known as naturalism have been happy to dismiss it as a fake...."
20 posted on 04/05/2004 7:37:03 AM PDT by aruanan
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