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Pro-Life Group Disgusted With Kerry Receiving Holy Communion
CNSNEWS.com ^ | 3/24/04 | Melanie Hunter

Posted on 03/24/2004 7:22:49 PM PST by kattracks

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To: TheBattman
The Pastor who gave him Holy Communion is a wuss ... Kerry has, so far, avoided the dioceses in which the Bishop has already warned him not to present himself for Communion. The cagey SOB is looking for wusses to help him make his photo-ops.
21 posted on 03/24/2004 8:39:58 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Chief Engineer, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemens' Club)
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To: TheBattman
BTW, we have "Pastors", and "Associate Pastors", and "Parochial Vicars" ... if you want a "Rector" you'll have to go see the Anglicans.

:')

22 posted on 03/24/2004 8:41:38 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Chief Engineer, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemens' Club)
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To: Qwinn
Nobody is saying that Kerry is "innocent" in this case, but when you are dealing with what amounts to scandalous behavior on the part of Kerry (in addition to the sacrilege involved) the pastor has an obligation to admonish Kerry (admonishing a sinner is actually one of the spiritual works of mercy, for those of us who have forgotten) and avoid scandalizing the rest of the parishioners.

It's hard to expect Kerry to live up to his obligations when these representatives of the Catholic Church will not live up to theirs.

23 posted on 03/24/2004 8:42:09 PM PST by Alberta's Child (Alberta -- the TRUE north strong and free.)
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To: All
he voted against abortion before he voted for it.
24 posted on 03/24/2004 8:45:19 PM PST by breakem
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To: kattracks
What I want to know is why Senator Doofus is vacationing in a state he has ZERO chance of winning. C'mon, genius! Go find a mountain in New Hampshire or Nevada or Washington to fall down on. You *know* you're going to make the local news, even on vacation. This man is not BRIGHT enough to be president.
25 posted on 03/24/2004 8:52:05 PM PST by Tall_Texan (The War on Terror is mere collateral damage to the Democrats' War on Bush.)
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To: kattracks
Kerry needs the advantage he has in the 'womens' vote' and would lose the support of all the big pro-choice factions if he didn't pass the litmus test of abortion on demand.

I get the feeling that if it were to his advantage in votes, Kerry would just as easily campaign on a pro-life position. He is just pandering to his base.

As to taking communion, it is for sinners after all, and Kerry appears to qualify. But it's a cheap shot if he just went to mass for a photo op.

26 posted on 03/24/2004 9:19:45 PM PST by Sender ("Let there be no compulsion in religion." - Mohammad)
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To: kattracks
Did he leave before they took the collection?
Cheapskate Kerry is giving-challenged. Go to Post 16 in the thread: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1103440/posts
Income=salary, not capital gains, so his pathetic percentage is worse than it appears.
27 posted on 03/24/2004 9:49:05 PM PST by ntnychik
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To: kattracks
I don't care which flavor of Christian you are, Communion is supposed to be received after much introspection and repentance. It is not a ceremony to be undertaken lightly.

1Cr 11:29 "For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body."

28 posted on 03/24/2004 10:22:39 PM PST by Aracelis
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To: Piltdown_Woman
"As to taking communion, it is for sinners after all, and Kerry appears to qualify"

The sacrament of reconcilliatiion/Penance/confession is for Catholic sinners to use BEFORE they go to Communion, if they are guilty of serious sin.

The reason he doesn't go to Confession is prob. that he knows he does not have an intention to sin no more w.r.t. his support of abortion.
29 posted on 03/24/2004 11:19:48 PM PST by AMDG&BVMH
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To: Lijahsbubbe
Kerry got circumcized when he found his longlost Jewish roots then he got tonsured to affirm his Irish-Catholic roots.

Anyway you cut it (ouch), Kerry had several voting blocs covered (or is that uncovered). I guess Kerry will now need a prayer rug.

30 posted on 03/25/2004 4:45:18 AM PST by Liz
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To: Liz

Tares and Wheat

Remember??????
31 posted on 03/25/2004 5:24:39 AM PST by Elsie (When the avalanche starts... it's too late for the pebbles to vote....)
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To: Piltdown_Woman
but... just WHAT does 'unworthily' MEAN????
32 posted on 03/25/2004 5:26:02 AM PST by Elsie (When the avalanche starts... it's too late for the pebbles to vote....)
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To: ChocChipCookie
"But when was the last time a Catholic church denied communion to even one pro-abortion supporter? I'd be very interested to know."

I am a Catholic, and I just found out from another Freeper that the Catholic Church denies communion to staunchly pro-life, decent, honorable, and devoted married Catholics if they did not get married in a Catholic ceremony. I had never heard that before (I knew that the Church didn't recognize the marriage as a Catholic marriage, but I had no idea it was a mortal sin, and I'm sure neither did millions of other Catholics!). John alQerry, a pro-abortion libertine, can receive communion but an anti-abortion, faithful husband or wife cannot if they just happened not to have been married in a Catholic ceremony. Can someone confirm this?
33 posted on 03/25/2004 5:43:53 AM PST by ought-six
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To: AMDG&BVMH
The sacrament of reconcilliatiion/Penance/confession is for Catholic sinners to use BEFORE they go to Communion, if they are guilty of serious sin.

Being just a clunky old convert, I can recall they taught us in RCIA that, ideally, the communicant should be in a state of grace when receiving the sacrament of communion, i.e., absolved of sin. Thus, before having received the Body and Blood, Kerry should have gone to confession and requested absolution for his sin of opposing the Church's teaching on abortion. He may have done this, but my guess is he didn't (see below) because there was no "media-op" for that.

The reason he doesn't go to Confession is prob. that he knows he does not have an intention to sin no more w.r.t. his support of abortion.

Probably true. My understanding is that absolution is freely given, but when I have received it, there is usually an admonition to make an honest attempt to "go thou and sin no more". My guess is that if Kerry ever confessed his sin of supporting abortion on demand, he wasn't serious about it, since he continues to trumpet his support of the heinous crime at every opportunity.

34 posted on 03/25/2004 5:45:07 AM PST by chimera
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To: Elsie
but... just WHAT does 'unworthily' MEAN????

The whole purpose of Paul writing to the Corinthians was to reprove them for their behavior in a number of areas. One such area was the Lord's Supper.

Instead of the Corinthians participating in Communion for what it was intended - as a reaffirmation of their faith in the sacrifice Jesus made for them, and becoming one with the Lord - they turned it into a heathen celebration. Wealthy Corinthians ate and drank to excess, depriving the poor of their share of the Lord's Feast. They did not come reverently and humbly to the table, they did not examine themselves beforehand and repent of their sins, and most of all, they did not participate in order to get closer to God. The Corinthians approached the Lord's Table as if it was simply a party...their motives were "unworthy".

Paul goes on to explain that this was the cause of illness and death in their community - a judgement from the Lord for their irreverence.

35 posted on 03/25/2004 8:41:40 AM PST by Aracelis
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To: Piltdown_Woman
What we have today - The Lord's Supper - was, when started, the PASSOVER meal. 
A meal that had been established by God so that the Children of Israel would REMEMBER the event, for all time.
 
Exodus 12:11
   This is how you are to eat it: with your cloak tucked into your belt, your sandals on your feet and your staff in your hand. Eat it in haste; it is the LORD's Passover.
 
 
Exodus 12:21
   Then Moses summoned all the elders of Israel and said to them, "Go at once and select the animals for your families and slaughter the Passover lamb.
 
 Exodus 12:26-27
 26.  And when your children ask you, `What does this ceremony mean to you?'
 27.  then tell them, `It is the Passover sacrifice to the LORD, who passed over the houses of the Israelites in Egypt and spared our homes when he struck down the Egyptians.'" Then the people bowed down and worshiped.
 
(Many other Scriptures in the OT mention the PASSOVER)
 
And by the time Jesus appeared on Earth...............
 
Matthew 26:1-2
 1.  When Jesus had finished saying all these things, he said to his disciples,
 2.  "As you know, the Passover is two days away--and the Son of Man will be handed over to be crucified."
 
Matthew 26:17-19
 17.  On the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, the disciples came to Jesus and asked, "Where do you want us to make preparations for you to eat the Passover?"
 18.  He replied, "Go into the city to a certain man and tell him, `The Teacher says: My appointed time is near. I am going to celebrate the Passover with my disciples at your house.'"
 19.  So the disciples did as Jesus had directed them and prepared the Passover.
 
John 1:29
  The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, "Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world! 
 
John 1:36
   When he saw Jesus passing by, he said, "Look, the Lamb of God!"
 
John 19:14-15
 14.  It was the day of Preparation of Passover Week, about the sixth hour.   "Here is your king," Pilate said to the Jews.
 15.  But they shouted, "Take him away! Take him away! Crucify him!"   "Shall I crucify your king?" Pilate asked.   "We have no king but Caesar," the chief priests answered.
 
1 Corinthians 5:7
   Get rid of the old yeast that you may be a new batch without yeast--as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed.
 
Acts 8:32-35
 32.  The eunuch was reading this passage of Scripture: "He was led like a sheep to the slaughter, and as a lamb before the shearer is silent, so he did not open his mouth.
 33.  In his humiliation he was deprived of justice. Who can speak of his descendants? For his life was taken from the earth."
 34.  The eunuch asked Philip, "Tell me, please, who is the prophet talking about, himself or someone else?"
 35.  Then Philip began with that very passage of Scripture and told him the good news about Jesus.


And today, we have reduced a shared MEAL down to a chunk of cracker and a sip of grape juice....

 
 
 
Unworthily???
 
1 Corinthians 11:27-29
 27.  Therefore, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord.
 28.  A man ought to examine himself before he eats of the bread and drinks of the cup.
 29.  For anyone who eats and drinks without recognizing the body of the Lord eats and drinks judgment on himself.
 
Paul goes on, in the very next chapter, to explain exactly what he means by "the body of the Lord".
 
 
 Corinthians 12
 1.  Now about spiritual gifts, brothers, I do not want you to be ignorant.
 2.  You know that when you were pagans, somehow or other you were influenced and led astray to mute idols.
 3.  Therefore I tell you that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, "Jesus be cursed," and no one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit.
 4.  There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit.
 5.  There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord.
 6.  There are different kinds of working, but the same God works all of them in all men.
 7.  Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good.
 8.  To one there is given through the Spirit the message of wisdom, to another the message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit,
 9.  to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit,
 10.  to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues,  and to still another the interpretation of tongues.
 11.  All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he gives them to each one, just as he determines.
 12.  The body is a unit, though it is made up of many parts; and though all its parts are many, they form one body. So it is with Christ.
 13.  For we were all baptized by  one Spirit into one body--whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free--and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.
 14.  Now the body is not made up of one part but of many.
 15.  If the foot should say, "Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body," it would not for that reason cease to be part of the body.
 16.  And if the ear should say, "Because I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body," it would not for that reason cease to be part of the body.
 17.  If the whole body were an eye, where would the sense of hearing be? If the whole body were an ear, where would the sense of smell be?
 18.  But in fact God has arranged the parts in the body, every one of them, just as he wanted them to be.
 19.  If they were all one part, where would the body be?
 20.  As it is, there are many parts, but one body.
 21.  The eye cannot say to the hand, "I don't need you!" And the head cannot say to the feet, "I don't need you!"
 22.  On the contrary, those parts of the body that seem to be weaker are indispensable,
 23.  and the parts that we think are less honorable we treat with special honor. And the parts that are unpresentable are treated with special modesty,
 24.  while our presentable parts need no special treatment. But God has combined the members of the body and has given greater honor to the parts that lacked it,
 25.  so that there should be no division in the body, but that its parts should have equal concern for each other.
 26.  If one part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honored, every part rejoices with it.
 27.  Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it.
 28.  And in the church God has appointed first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then workers of miracles, also those having gifts of healing, those able to help others, those with gifts of administration, and those speaking in different kinds of tongues.
 29.  Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles?
 30.  Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues ? Do all interpret?
 31.  But eagerly desire  the greater gifts.   And now I will show you the most excellent way.

36 posted on 03/26/2004 12:25:58 PM PST by Elsie (When the avalanche starts... it's too late for the pebbles to vote....)
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To: Elsie
Indexing related threads - for future reference:
Diocese gives nod for Kerry to receive Eucharist
      Posted by delacoert
On News/Activism 04/10/2004 10:40:32 AM PDT with 14 comments


The Boston Herald ^ | April 10, 2004 | Eric Convey
     
 
Chicago cardinal [George] would not withhold Eucharist [Kerry]
      Posted by Polycarp IV
On News/Activism 04/10/2004 8:53:44 AM PDT with 63 comments


CWNews.com ^ | Apr. 09 | CWNews.com
     
 
Diocese gives nod for Kerry to receive Eucharist
      Posted by Fifthmark
On Religion 04/10/2004 8:39:21 AM PDT with 6 comments


The Boston Herald ^ | April 10, 2004 | Eric Convey
     
 
Chicago Cardinal would not withhold Eucharist
      Posted by Canticle_of_Deborah
On Religion 04/09/2004 4:15:11 PM PDT with 16 comments


CWNews ^ | April 9, 2003
     
 
Bishop Bruskewitz will deny Kerry the Eucharist
      Posted by johnb2004
On Religion 04/07/2004 10:39:21 AM PDT with 33 comments


www.renewamerica.us ^ | April 6, 2004 | Barbara Kralis

37 posted on 04/10/2004 12:15:53 PM PDT by RonDog
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To: RonDog
Indexing related threads - for future reference:
Analysts: Religious Faith Less of a Factor for Kerry
(Kerry to Receive Communion)

      Posted by delacoert
On News/Activism 04/09/2004 5:57:09 PM PDT with 28 comments


FOXNews.com ^ | April 09, 2004 | Peter Brownfeld
     
 
Kerry WILL be given Communion at Easter Mass in Boston.
      Posted by delacoert
On General Interest (Chat) 04/09/2004 5:24:38 PM PDT with 6 comments


Fox Report | April 9, 2004 | FOX Report
     
 
Kerry's Easter Plans Include Catholic Service
[& Communion! Time for a massive Catholic FREEP!]

      Posted by Polycarp IV
On News/Activism 04/08/2004 5:53:31 PM PDT with 85 comments


Yahoo! News (Reuters) ^ | 4/8/04 | Patricia Wilson
     
 
Thou shalt not flub thy photo op, Sen. Kerry
(Caught taking "communion" in Protestant Church)

      Posted by presidio9
On News/Activism 04/08/2004 11:24:10 AM PDT with 187 comments


Boston Herald ^ | Wednesday, April 7, 2004 | David R. Guarino
     
 
Kerry’s Communion Controversy
      Posted by NYer
On News/Activism 04/07/2004 11:30:48 AM PDT with 89 comments


CBS News ^ | April 6, 2004 | David Paul Kuhn
     
 
Reuters PHOTO: "ROMAN CATHOLIC" John Kerry takes communion at AME Church
[Is this kosher?]

      Posted by RonDog
On Religion 04/04/2004 9:26:17 PM PDT with 196 comments


REUTERS photo (via the Drudge thread) ^ | April 4, 2004 | RonDog
     
 
Catholic Church 'will refuse Kerry communion' -
      Posted by UnklGene
On News/Activism 04/03/2004 3:46:04 PM PST with 104 comments


The Telegraph - UK ^ | April 4, 2004 | Julian Coman
     
 
Priests Should Refuse Communion to Kerry, Leading Catholic Says
      Posted by kattracks
On News/Activism 03/31/2004 2:47:28 PM PST with 78 comments


NewsMax.com | 3/31/04 | Phil Brennan
     
 
Pro-Life Group Disgusted With Kerry Receiving Holy Communion
      Posted by kattracks
On News/Activism 03/24/2004 7:22:49 PM PST with 36 comments


CNSNEWS.com ^ | 3/24/04 | Melanie Hunter
     
 
Kerry receives Holy Communion? Divorced,remarried.
      Posted by mdittmar
On News/Activism 03/14/2004 6:54:34 PM PST with 166 comments


Reuters ^ | 3/14/04 | me

38 posted on 04/10/2004 12:33:23 PM PDT by RonDog
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