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Man Who Killed Armed Intruder Jailed Eight Years
The SCOTSMAN ^
| Mar 23 2004
| Will Batchelor, PA News
Posted on 03/24/2004 4:56:59 AM PST by Salgak
Man Who Killed Armed Intruder Jailed Eight Years
By Will Batchelor, PA News
A man who stabbed to death an armed intruder at his home was jailed for eight years today.
Carl Lindsay, 25, answered a knock at his door in Salford, Greater Manchester, to find four men armed with a gun.
When the gang tried to rob him he grabbed a samurai sword and stabbed one of them, 37-year-old Stephen Swindells, four times.
Mr Swindells, of Salford, was later found collapsed in an alley and died in hospital.
Lindsay, of Walkden, was found guilty of manslaughter following a three-week trial at Manchester Crown Court.
He was sentenced to eight years imprisonment.
After the case, Detective Chief Inspector Sam Haworth said: Four men, including the victim, had set out purposefully to rob Carl Lindsay and this intent ultimately led to Stephen Swindells death.
I believe the sentences passed today reflect the severity of the circumstances.
Three other men were charged with robbery and firearms offences in connection with the incident, which took place in February last year.
TOPICS: Extended News; Government; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: armed; bang; conviction; defense; manslaughter; robbery; samurai; selfdefense; sword
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To: Diogenesis
I think I'll send this to Spector and see if this is what he means by Scottish Law. Go Pat go!
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posted on
03/24/2004 5:41:30 AM PST
by
stevio
(The early bird gets the worm, but the 2nd mouse gets the cheese.)
To: One Loud Voice
I got out of NYS for just these reasons. The inmates now rule the asylum in NY. It is nothing more than a rich-persons playground, and the residents are nothing more than servants, wards of the state, cattle to be tended and used to maintain their domain. I lived there long enough to see it firsthand from the inside, and now view it from the outside looking in.
Nothing short of CWII or the 2nd coming of The Christ will change things, and I don't thing you'll see the former as the people have lost their will to be free...
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posted on
03/24/2004 5:45:53 AM PST
by
Dubh_Ghlase
("Every man dies, but not every man truly lives...." Braveheart)
To: demkicker
I don't know where in the US, but I've read that some judges have ruled that the occupant has a duty to retreat (in his/her home) from intruders, i.e., not to defend thier home and property.
To: banjo joe
Something like that happened in Illinois. The village (idiots) supervisors had made it illegal to own a gun, and a homeowner shot a burglar after his return visit.
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posted on
03/24/2004 5:59:33 AM PST
by
stevio
(The early bird gets the worm, but the 2nd mouse gets the cheese.)
To: Salgak
Looks like their Judges are as goofy as our Judges and lawyers..
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posted on
03/24/2004 6:00:38 AM PST
by
JamesA
( The more you try to change my convictions the more resolved I am to keep them.)
To: Salgak
Two things:
1) This was reported in The Scotsman but took place in Manchester, England
2) It was an attempted gang hit on a known Gangster and drug wholesaler.
Conclusion: Now two gangsters off the street - hopefully even more when the revenge attempts come.
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posted on
03/24/2004 6:13:34 AM PST
by
weegie
To: One Loud Voice
About 6 months ago Hannity had a guy on who had just moved to NY. The guy had a valid permit back home, had applied for a permit in NY, but hadn't gotton it when someone tried to break into his apartment. The intruder tried to molest one onf the kids, the guy shot him.
To make an example of him the DA prosecuted him to the fullest extent of the law. After much wrangling and publicity it was compromised down to a few months in jail for the black man who defended his family against an intruder with a long rap sheet.
It was discussed at some length here on FR.
Watch your back, there's a lot of govternment officials who wish you and your family ill will.
To: demkicker
In the small town where I lived when I attended College, there was an incident in which an armed criminal who was breaking into a home was shot and killed by the occupant.
In a queer twist of legal maneuvering, the homeowner was charged with manslaughter, because even though armed, the intruder wasn't quite through the window when he was shot, and fell outside.
Several weeks later, the local Sheriff came door to door and told us all "If you have to shoot someone breaking into your home, make sure to drag him inside BEFORE you call us"
England is getting so "civilized" they are in grave danger of becoming "uncivilized".
And they just can't figure out why their breaking/entering/murder rate is going up????!!!
They know. They just don't want to say.
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posted on
03/24/2004 7:38:55 AM PST
by
EEDUDE
(Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.)
To: EEDUDE
"If you have to shoot someone breaking into your home, make sure to drag him inside BEFORE you call us"Very bad advice. It's called "tampering with evidence", it's easily detected, and it will get you put away.
Far better to wait a few more seconds until the perp is actually inside the house before firing.
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posted on
03/24/2004 8:13:12 AM PST
by
Steve0113
(Stay to the far right to get by.)
To: Salgak
Ha, he'd be off "scott free" if he tossed a caber onto the perps or used a highland claymore...Aight ye be after me hagis...[/sarcasm
To: Salgak
Oh great. Now he'll be in the same prison as the three guys whose friend he stabbed...
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posted on
03/24/2004 10:12:33 AM PST
by
Junior
(No animals were harmed in the making of this post)
To: One Loud Voice
if you possess a deadly weapon in your house/business and you INTEND TO USE IT UNLAWFULLY, you may be charged with criminal possession of a weapon (misdemeanor). if you use it do defend your home/business, i believe the worst that will happen is it will be taken away from you.
To: Balding_Eagle
they probably got him for transporting a firearm across state lines which is a felony and a big no-no.
To: Salgak
This is the future of America if the Dems and lefties ever regain control. This is the path that Kerry wants to go down.
The Second Amendment - Commentaries
Churchill must be spinning in his grave...
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posted on
03/24/2004 11:41:42 AM PST
by
PsyOp
(Citizenship ought to be reserved for those who carry arms. – Aristotle.)
To: Steve0113
You're quite correct!
And that is what I'd do. I merely wanted to point out that not all authorities are as dense in America.
Take note everyone!
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posted on
03/24/2004 1:33:58 PM PST
by
EEDUDE
(Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.)
To: thefactor
They got him for not having the proper permit. Nevermind that he was waiting for whoever issues the permit in NYC to get around to him. The DA was VERY snotty about it all.
To: Balding_Eagle
well to do it right it's a real process, but you still should do it right. get a local gun dealer to send it to another gun dealer in nyc. then the nypd vouchers it and when you get the proper permit, you can pick up your weapon. good luck getting the permit though.
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To: thefactor
The father who killed the intruder had been in NYC for about 2 weeks, as I recall.
The point of my original reply was to answer OLV's question about how my trouble someone could get into in NYC if they didn't have the proper paperwork for their guns.
The father did the right thing. He kept his gun with him, in order to protect himself and his family. Just because some goverment officials have targeted those who take their family responsibilities seriously doesn't mean we have to automatically bow to their wishes. The children of the father in question have much to be thankful for, even though the DA was intent on punishing him for keeping an invaluble tool at hand. The DA was/is simply an evil man.
To: One Loud Voice
I'm with you on that!
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posted on
03/25/2004 8:24:39 AM PST
by
Dubh_Ghlase
("Every man dies, but not every man truly lives...." Braveheart)
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