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1 posted on 03/17/2004 8:23:46 AM PST by Global_Warming
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To: Global_Warming
The "winner" of wars write the history. The truth is often deferent.
2 posted on 03/17/2004 8:39:50 AM PST by RAY (Right or wrong, it is my country!)
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To: Global_Warming
Black confederates obviously knew that the war wasn't about slavery but states' rights. And since their masters treated them so well, they had nothing to lose by supporting the cause, and everything to gain.
3 posted on 03/17/2004 8:48:25 AM PST by Agnes Heep
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To: Global_Warming
Do you know that you do not exist and are a figment of the communist imagination?
5 posted on 03/17/2004 9:08:21 AM PST by Outraged
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To: Global_Warming
bttt
6 posted on 03/17/2004 9:11:43 AM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: Global_Warming
Read later.
8 posted on 03/17/2004 9:40:49 AM PST by EagleMamaMT
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To: Global_Warming
There's no credible evidence of even a handful of black rebel soldiers.

"It's pure fantasy,' contends James McPherson, a Princeton historian and one of the nation's leading Civil War scholars. Adds Edwin Bearss, historian emeritus at the National Park Service: 'It's b.s., wishful thinking.' Robert Krick, author of 10 books on the Confederacy, has studied the records of 150,000 Southern soldiers and found fewer than a dozen were black. 'Of course, if I documented 12, someone would start adding zeros,' he says.

"These and other scholars say claims about black rebels derive from unreliable anecdotes, a blurring of soldiers and laborers, and the rapid spread on the Internet of what Mr. McPherson calls 'pseudohistory.' Thousands of blacks did accompany rebel troops -- as servants, cooks, teamsters and musicians. Most were slaves who served involuntarily; until the final days of the war, the Confederacy staunchly refused to enlist black soldiers.

"Some blacks carried guns for their masters and wore spare or cast-off uniforms, which may help explain eyewitness accounts of blacks units. But any blacks who actually fought did so unofficially, either out of personal loyalty or self-defense, many historians say.

"They also bristle at what they see as the disingenuous twist on political correctness fueling the black Confederate fad. 'It's a search for a multicultural Confederacy, a desperate desire to feel better about your ancestors,' says Leslie Rowland, a University of Maryland historian. 'If you suggest that some blacks supported the South, then you can deny that the Confederacy was about slavery and white supremacy.'

"David Blight, an Amherst College historian, likens the trend to bygone notions about happy plantation darkies.' Confederate groups invited devoted ex-slaves to reunions and even won Senate approval in 1923 for a "mammy" monument in Washington (it was never built). Black Confederates, Mr. Blight says, are a new and more palatable way to 'legitimize the Confederacy.'"

-- Wall Street Journal, May 8, 1997

Had there been the number claimed by the SCV and the League of the South, they were certainly shamefully treated after the war.

"After Lincoln's assassination in April of 1865, President Andrew Johnson alienated Congress with his Reconstruction policy. He supported white supremacy in the South and favored pro-Union Southern political leaders who had aided the Confederacy once war had been declared.

Southerners, with Johnson's support, attempted to restore slavery in substance if not in name. In 1866, Congress and President Johnson battled for control of Reconstruction. The Congress won. Northern voters gave a smashing victory -- more than two-thirds of the seats in Congress -- to the Radical Republicans in the 1866 congressional election, enabling Congress to control Reconstruction and override any vetoes that Johnson might impose. Congress passed the Reconstruction Acts of 1867 that divided the Confederate states (except for Tennessee, which had been re-admitted to the Union) into five military districts. Each state was required to accept the Thirteenth and Fourteenth Amendments to the Constitution, which granted freedom and political rights of blacks.

Each Southern state had to incorporate these requirements into their constitutions, and blacks were empowered with the vote. Yet Congress failed to secure land for blacks, thus allowing whites to economically control blacks. The Freedmen's Bureau was authorized to administer the new laws and help blacks attain their economic, civil, educational, and political rights. The newly created state governments were generally Republican in character and were governed by political coalitions of blacks, Northerners who had migrated to the South (called "carpetbaggers" by Southern Democrats), and Southerners who allied with the blacks and carpetbaggers (referred to as "scalawags" by their opponents). This uneasy coalition of black and white Republicans passed significant civil rights legislation in many states. Courts were reorganized, judicial procedures improved, and public school systems established. Segregation existed but it was flexible. But as blacks slowly progressed, white Southerners resented their achievements and their empowerment, even though they were in a political minority in every state but South Carolina.

Most whites rallied around the Democratic Party as the party of white supremacy. Between 1868 and 1871, terrorist organizations, especially the Ku Klux Klan, murdered blacks and whites who tried to exercise their right to vote or receive an education. The Klan, working with Democrats in several states, used fraud and violence to help whites regain control of their state governments. By the early 1870s, most Southern states had been "redeemed" -- as many white Southerners called it -- from Republican rule. By the time the last federal troops had been withdrawn in 1877, Reconstruction was all but over and the Democratic Party controlled the destiny of the South."

-- Richard Wormser

The fact that the whites in the south were able to reinstitute slavery in all but name is a big fly in the buttermilk over this "black confederate" crap.

It didn't happen.

Walt

9 posted on 03/17/2004 9:50:59 AM PST by WhiskeyPapa (Virtue is the uncontested prize.)
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If southern blacks, free and slave, fought so valiantly for the south, and if their service was so valued by the confederates, then why did the south repay that service with Black Codes and Jim Crow laws for 100 years following the rebellion?
11 posted on 03/19/2004 4:36:53 AM PST by Non-Sequitur (Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
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Uncle Pompey, a cook with Confederates at the early battle of Seven Pines, in violation of orders, was advancing to the fighting front, when asked by another black:
"Whar's you gwine, Uncle Pomp?  You isn't gwine up dar to have all de har scorched off yer head is you?"  Uncle Pompey still persisted in advancing and shouldering a rifle, soon overtook his regiment.  'De Lor' hab mercy on us all, boys, here dey comes agin! Dar it is,' he exclaimed, as the Yankees fired an overshot, 'just as I taught! can't shoot worth a bad five-cent piece.  Now's de time, boys!' and as the Alabamians returned a withering volley and closed up with the enemy, charging them furiously.  Uncle Pompey forgot all about his church, his ministry, and sanctity, and while firing and dodging, as best he could, was heard to shout out: "Pitch in, White folks—Uncle Pomp's behind yer. Send all de Yankees to de 'ternal flames, whar dere's weeping and gnashing of—sail in Alabama; stick 'em wid de bayonet, and send all de blue ornary cusses to de state of eternal fire and brimstone!  Push 'em hard, boys!—push 'em hard; and when dey's gone, may de Lor' hab marcy on de last one on 'em, and send dem to h-ll farder nor a pigin kin fly in a month!  Stick de d—d sons of—! don't spare none on'em, for de good Lor' never made such as dem, no how you kin fix it: for it am said in de two-eyed chapter of de one-eyed John, somewhat in Collusions, dat—Hurray, boys, dat's you, sure—now you've got 'em goss! Show 'em a taste of ole Alabamy,' etc.
H.C. Blackerby, Blacks in Blue and Gray: Afro-American Service in the Civil War, Tuscaloosa, AL: Portals Press (1979), pp.11-12.
Kudos to Uncle Pomp.
12 posted on 03/19/2004 1:26:21 PM PST by 4CJ (||) OUR sins put Him on that cross - HIS love for us kept Him there. (||)
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Thanks for the information.

Next up: Jewish Policemen in the Warsaw Ghetto
23 posted on 03/20/2004 10:10:01 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
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66 posted on 03/23/2004 12:30:40 PM PST by mhking (The UN was supposed to be the last, best hope for peace...it failed.)
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