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Rôle of US Former Pres. Carter Emerging in Illegal Financial Demands on Shah of Iran
Iranian Alert -- March 15, 2004 [EST]-- IRAN LIVE THREAD --Americans for Regime Change in Iran ^ | March 15, 2004 | Alan Peters

Posted on 03/15/2004 7:44:03 AM PST by Eala

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To: Andyman
I can see Carter doing this.
21 posted on 03/15/2004 10:54:08 AM PST by dalebert
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To: Eala
Just as Pesident Grant was manipulated and used by unethical political companions now it appears Carter was used in the same way. It is rather distrubing that it has take 25 years for this to come to light, it appears that secrets can be kept.
22 posted on 03/15/2004 11:09:59 AM PST by fella
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To: Eala
They say the good die young. Look how long poor ol' Billy Carter has been gone. Maybe he wasn't the evil twin after all.
23 posted on 03/15/2004 11:17:16 AM PST by F.J. Mitchell (Only a snobbish no class bluenose puke , would refuse to apologize for being an ass..)
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To: Southack
Lilian Carter....isn't she known for having the 'two biggest boobs' in the world?
25 posted on 03/15/2004 11:22:39 AM PST by kahoutek ((A conservative is a liberal who's been mugged))
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To: pepsionice
"I don't necessarily believe that Carter himself allowed it."

Carter accepeted a $13.5 million 'donation' from the BCCI bank. POS!

26 posted on 03/15/2004 11:57:38 AM PST by blam
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To: Andyman
I simply cannot see him doing this.

He had some pretty sleazy people in his Administration as I recall. Maybe one or more misrepresented the "demand" as coming from Carter.

OTOH, Carter was and continues to be completely oblivious to the results of his proven incompetence.

Maybe he thought he was doing it for the "good of the people".

In any case, he did go to the Soviet Union in hopes of getting help to defeat Reagan.

27 posted on 03/15/2004 12:05:51 PM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: Southack
SEPTEMBER 1978 : (THE LIBYA CONTROVERSY : PRESIDENT CARTER'S BROTHER, BILLY CARTER, VISITS LIBYA TO MAKE DEALS; LATER BILLY HOSTS LIBYAN OFFICIALS SEEKING TO ESTABLISH A TRADE MISSION IN THE US; BILLY MAKES STUPID, BUT REVEALING COMMENTS) In September 1978 Billy made a highly publicized trip to Libya with a group of Georgia legislators and businessmen eager to make deals. Several months later, he hosted a delegation of Libyans in Atlanta, as they looked for a place to locate a permanent trade mission. When asked why he was involved, Billy said, "The only thing I can say is there is a hell of a lot more Arabians than there is Jews." He also argued that the "Jewish media [tore] up the Arab countries full-time," and defended Libya against charges of state-sponsored terrorism by saying that a "heap of governments support terrorists and [Libya] at least admitted it." President Carter tried to disassociate himself from the controversy that ensued, telling NBC News that he hoped people would "realize that I don't have any control over what my brother says [and] he has no control over me." Billy also apologized and explained he wasn't anti-Semitic, but the damage was done. The Atlanta Constitution remarked, "If [Billy's] not working for the Republican Party, he should be." Some time after this, Billy spent seven weeks at an alcohol addiction treatment facility in California. - "People & Events : Billy Carter (1937 - 1988) ", American Experience, PBS, http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/carter/peopleevents/p_bcarter.html

JULY 1980 : (BILLYGATE : PRESIDENT CARTER'S BROTHER, BILLY CARTER, REGISTERS AS A FOREIGN AGENT OF THE LIBYAN GOVERNMENT, AND ACCEPTS CASH FROM THE LIBYANS FOR 'OIL SALES' HE WAS SUPPOSED TO FACILITATE) Once sober, Billy was no longer in demand on the talk-show circuit, so he turned again to his Libyan friends for financial help. In July 1980 he belatedly registered as a foreign agent of the Libyan government and admitted to receiving a $220,000 "loan" for oil sales he was supposed to facilitate. The press rushed to find out whether the president's brother had hawked his influence with the White House, and a new presidential scandal, "Billygate," was born. As Jimmy himself later admitted, "He was the president's brother, and therefore fair game." - "People & Events : Billy Carter (1937 - 1988) ", American Experience, PBS, http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/carter/peopleevents/p_bcarter.html

[* My note: As history would unfold, by 2002 it was pretty clear that Jimmy's accomodating philosophy on terrorism is not unlike his brother's ]

JULY 22, 1980 : (BILLYGATE : PRESIDENT CARTER DISTANCES HIMSELF- AN ELECTION IS COMING UP) On July 22, the White House issued a statement disclosing what it knew and denying that it had interfered in the Justice Department's investigation of the matter. The president also released a personal statement saying that he did not think it "appropriate for a close relative of the president to undertake any assignment on behalf of a foreign government." While all this was basically true, a number of inaccuracies and omissions would surface in the coming days which kept the scandal alive and fueled the perception that something dirty had happened.
"In truth, the White House had concealed nothing," concludes historian Burton Kaufman. "But as [it] had to keep amending its July 22 account, there was doubt cast on Carter's forthrightness with the American people." While relatively few people doubted Carter's basic integrity, the whole thing did cast further doubts on his judgment, and what Kaufman calls his "presidential timber" in the midst of the president's uphill battle for re-election. "The damn Billy Carter stuff is killing us," complained Hamilton Jordan. It was the last thing the Carter campaign needed going into the Democratic convention in August. - "People & Events : Billy Carter (1937 - 1988) ", American Experience, PBS, http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/carter/peopleevents/p_bcarter.html

28 posted on 03/15/2004 1:09:52 PM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: Andyman; Eala; Diogenesis
The vigilante then asked why the Islamic Government would bother to be so accommodating to the Great Satan and was told that the whole operation was planned in advance by Prime Minister Mehdi Bazargan’s revolutionary Government with Pres. Carter in return for Carter having helped depose the Shah and that this was being done to ensure Carter got re-elected. “He helped us, now we help him” was the matter-of-fact comment from the cleric.

I find this to be unbelievable. The students in the street in Iran didn't differentiate between Carter and Reagan, they thought all of America was The Great Satan and wanted revenge for the CIA's assistance in overthrowing Mossadeh back in the 1950s.

There was speculation in some Iranian quarters — as well as in some US minds — at the time and later that Carter’s actions were the result of either close ties to, or empathy for, the Soviet Union, which was anxious to break out of the longstanding US-led strategic containment of the USSR, which had prevented the Soviets from reaching the warm waters of the Indian Ocean.

Carter’s mistaken assessment of Khomeini was encouraged by advisors with a desire to form an Islamic “green belt” to contain atheist Soviet expansion with the religious fervor of Islam. Eventually all 30 of the scenarios on Iran presented to Carter by his intelligence agencies proved wrong, and totally misjudged Khomeini as a person and as a political entity.

So which is it ?

Carter in sympathy with the USSR, of Carter wanting an "Islamic Belt" to encircle the atheistic Communists ?

This is the message that the "leakers" of this strange attempt at putting a spin on those events of 1979 are really about:

In 1978 while the West was deciding to remove His Majesty Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi from the throne, Shariatmadari was telling anyone who would listen not to allow “Ayatollah” Ruhollah Khomeini and his velayat faghih (Islamic jurist) version of Islam to be allowed to govern Iran. Ayatollah Shariatmadari noted: “We mullahs will behave like bickering whores in a brothel if we come to power ... and we have no experience on how to run a modern nation so we will destroy Iran and lose all that has been achieved at such great cost and effort.”

Today, Iranian-born, Grand Ayatollah Ali Al-Sistani, the dominant Shia leader in Iraq faces Shariatmadari’s dilemma and shares the same “quietist” Islamic philosophy of sharia (religious law) guidance rather than direct governing by the clerics themselves. Sistani’s “Khomeini” equivalent, militant Ayatollah Mohammed Baqir al-Sadr, was gunned down in 1999 by then-Iraqi Pres. Saddam Hussein’s forces. Sadr’s son, 30-year-old Muqtada al-Sadr, lacks enough followers or religious seniority/clout to immediately oppose Sistani but has a hard core of violent followers biding their time.

This is coming from Sistani's camp. It's their attempt at lobbying.

I agree with Andy, I thought Carter was a terrible president, but one thing that I am sure of, is that he was not motivated by money, nor were his backers. They were silly people, but they weren't mendacious.

29 posted on 03/15/2004 1:12:38 PM PST by happygrl (Security Mom)
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To: piasa
"In July 1980 he belatedly registered as a foreign agent of the Libyan government and admitted to receiving a $220,000 "loan" for oil sales he was supposed to facilitate."

...Yeah, he registered in 1980 (after he got caught) for a "loan" that he got from Libya back in 1979...

30 posted on 03/15/2004 1:19:14 PM PST by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: happygrl
"I find this to be unbelievable. The students in the street in Iran didn't differentiate between Carter and Reagan, they thought all of America was The Great Satan and wanted revenge for the CIA's assistance in overthrowing Mossadeh back in the 1950s."

You must be kidding. The whole world feared Reagan. Iran let the hostages go the day that he was inaugerated, rather than risk open atomic warfare with us.

In contrast, Khomeni was backed by Communists. This odd alignment of fundmentalists and athiests was possible only because both sides were weak and needed to ally together to oppose the power of the U.S.

Likewise, athiestic Communists openly support to this day the Palestinian terrorist organization PFLP (formerly Black September) in a region that only permits fundmentalism amongst its people.

Ditto again for the Communistic Basques in Spain and France as well as for the fundamentalists in Chechnya.

At every turn you will find that radical Islamic fundamentalists are financially backed by athiestic Communists and aided by Communists...to the extent that the athiestic Cubans permitted the radical fundamentalist Arabs to use the Cuban embassy in Lebanon to base their attack on Israel in the 1973 Yom Kippur war.

These people know full well who they are opposing; American nationalists. They also know that they can count on indifference, tolerance, and the occassional outright aid for their causes from the Socialist wing of American politics (Carter falls well into this camp).

Carter's own direct contribution to this anti-American nationalism movement was to give away the Panama Canal and permit the establishment of the illegal (price manipulations of commodities are forbidden by U.S. law, for instance) OPEC oil cartel .

31 posted on 03/15/2004 1:30:42 PM PST by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: marron
http://rescueattempt.tripod.com/hostagerescueattempt/id1.html

The older I get, the more I hate Jimmy Carter, too.

That website is mine.
32 posted on 03/20/2004 2:31:41 PM PST by RaceBannon (John Kerry is Vietnam's Benedict Arnold: Former War Hero turned Traitor)
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To: Eala
That guy is dangerous and a very real obstical to Iraqi freedom. Perhaps the Iraqis will take care of him before he gets a chance to take away their freedom.
33 posted on 03/20/2004 2:47:04 PM PST by McGavin999 (Evil thrives when good men do nothing!)
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To: Eala
bump for alan!
34 posted on 03/20/2004 6:06:46 PM PST by RaceBannon (John Kerry is Vietnam's Benedict Arnold: Former War Hero turned Traitor)
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To: RaceBannon
alan bump
35 posted on 03/20/2004 6:08:45 PM PST by RaceBannon (John Kerry is Vietnam's Benedict Arnold: Former War Hero turned Traitor)
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To: Eala
bump
36 posted on 03/20/2004 6:27:12 PM PST by RaceBannon (John Kerry is Vietnam's Benedict Arnold: Former War Hero turned Traitor)
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To: Fiddlstix
bump
37 posted on 03/20/2004 6:27:49 PM PST by RaceBannon (John Kerry is Vietnam's Benedict Arnold: Former War Hero turned Traitor)
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To: Eala; Timesink; *CCRM; governsleastgovernsbest; martin_fierro; reformed_democrat; Loyalist; ...
Post-NewsMedia Conservative History ping - How Many Deaths In Iran & Iraq Was Nobel Prize Winner "Peanut Boy" Responsible For?

On, Off, or grab it for a Media Shenanigans/Schadenfreude/PNMCH ping:
http://www.freerepublic.com/~anamusedspectator/

38 posted on 04/12/2004 10:30:20 AM PDT by an amused spectator (FR: Leaving the burning dog poop bag of Truth on the front door step of the liberal media since 1996)
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To: Eala
"Some claim he was inept and ignorant, others that he was allowing his liberal leanings to overshadow US national interests. "

I submit that, in Carter's case, these are not mutually exclusive.

He always sides with the wrong side of every issue. He sides with communists, ruthless dictators, Islamic radicals. Wherever people express hatred for America, you will find Jimmy there, cheering them on. He is a disgrace to our country and to the brave men and women who have risked their lives, have been disabled, or have died to preserve our freedom.
39 posted on 04/12/2004 10:48:42 AM PDT by Rocky (It was Al Qaeda, stupid!)
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To: an amused spectator
Carter was the first Manchurcian Candidate/President from the rats.

Next was the Clintoon. Now those who hate America here and abroad are running al Querry as their third and final anti American Manchurian Presidential Candidate.
40 posted on 04/12/2004 11:11:19 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (America can't afford a 9/10 John F'onda al Querry after 9/11.)
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