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To: Old Student
whoopie - you find it repellent.

cry me a river - you did not refute it.

I have stated, in CLEAR TEXT AND SMALL WORDS, that there are moderate MUSLIMS.

That does not mean that ISLAM is moderate, or even can be - thus, the illustration using a related cult: Nazism.

Try again. Try harder.
96 posted on 03/15/2004 7:14:18 PM PST by King Prout (MECCA ET MEDINA DELENDAE SUNT!)
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To: King Prout
You also stated that those very few "moderate" Muslims were apostates, and would be killed by all right-thinking Muslims. Go back and look at what you wrote. If that isn't what you meant, it is certainly not clear from what you actually wrote. Regardless, just because Nazism, which could be regarded as a Christian sect, (and is, by some) could not be moderate, in your opinion, doesn't mean that Islam can't be moderate. When most Muslims are moderate, Islam is moderate, whatever a bunch of nutcases who claim to be Muslims do.

I am a Mormon. People who practice polygamy in the US often claim to be "Fundamentalist Mormons." They are not, in fact, Mormons at all, even though they claim they are, because they do not follow our religion. Our 12th Article of Faith says "We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law." When the US passed laws forbidding plural marriage, our church dropped the practice. (They did not exist prior to that time.) The Articles of Faith were written by Joseph Smith, whom we believe is a prophet of God, and anyone who doesn't follow them isn't following the prophet, and is, therefore, not a Mormon. Quite a few Muslims find terrorism repugnant, and the indiscriminate killing of women and children is also condemned in the Koran, so any so-called Muslim who practices it is not, in fact, a Muslim, whatever they may call themselves. David Koresh thought of himself as a Christian; I'm afraid I'll have to leave judgment on that subject to God, but I will say that calling himself a Christian didn't make it so. Neither does Bin Laden calling himself a Muslim make him a Muslim.

I did refute your statements; most Muslims are moderate, and so Islam is moderate. The indisputable fact that some are truly NOT moderate doesn't make all of Islam immoderate, it just means that not everyone follows their faith faithfully. Some like to pick and choose the bits they will follow, like several types of "fundamentalists." Your position on the subject is the same sort of thing as Bin Laden's rant on the evil Crusaders. I have, no doubt, ancestors who participated in the Crusades. That doesn't make me a Crusader. For that matter, Saladin found some of the Crusaders decent and honest men, even if that wasn't true for all of them. So there is a long history of moderation in Islam. You and Bin Laden think alike in that respect, however, or you're not making yourself very clear. Care to try again?
101 posted on 03/15/2004 7:57:43 PM PST by Old Student (WRM, MSgt, USAF (Ret.))
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