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To: Fester Chugabrew
With respect to the possibility of even a single intelligent being having repsonsibility for the creation and sustenation of the known universe, scientists, to be faithful in their quest for ALL the facts, must leave this as an OPEN QUESTION. The word "impossible" is an absolute, is it not?

Well, no one claims it is impossible. The problem however is how to verify this.

How would you for instance, verify the claim that our universe has been created last Thurday with all our memories, appearance of age, etc.? And how can you tell that the date of creation wasn't instead on Thursday two weeks ago?
This scenario may be true after all but it is simply not falsifiable and therefore it ain't science.

So our universe may or may not be created by a supreme being but the problem is that we cannot tell one way or the other simply because we don't have any other universes (which have been designed resp, not designed) as a reference.

567 posted on 03/17/2004 8:17:14 PM PST by BMCDA
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To: BMCDA
How would you for instance, verify the claim that our universe has been created last Thurday with all our memories, appearance of age, etc.?

I do not think it would be reasonable to make such a claim, and would certainly not attempt to verify it. I would, on the basis of what I perceive to be factual data, point to artifacts which, to the experience of most observers, date beyond last Thursday.

But you open up a provocative set of questions related to epistemology. When you think about it, if our brains are but chemical reactions produced by natural processes outside of intelligent design, who is to say for sure such a claim is not TRUE?!

569 posted on 03/17/2004 8:36:49 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: BMCDA
The problem however is how to verify this.

I understand that very well, and I can put up with doubts because I have a good many of my own. But I am not about to suggest, as a human, that it is impossible to verify ANYTHING. In saying that, I would also like to hope I am endowed with enough reason to filter out some undoubtedly harmful BS, like "John Kerry for President."

570 posted on 03/17/2004 8:42:22 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: BMCDA
"It is not impossible to verify ANTHING."

I take that back. I just stated an absolute. Sheez. Everything about all my posts is false.

571 posted on 03/17/2004 8:46:27 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: BMCDA
How would you for instance, verify the claim that our universe has been created last Thurday with all our memories, appearance of age, etc.? And how can you tell that the date of creation wasn't instead on Thursday two weeks ago?
This scenario may be true after all but it is simply not falsifiable and therefore it ain't science.
 
Oh, just about the same way as this one.................
 
How would you for instance, verify the claim that our universe has evolve from a speck, 15 billion or so years ago, etc.? And how can you tell that the date of creation wasn't instead 16 billion years ago?
This scenario may be true after all but it is simply not falsifiable and therefore it ain't science.

584 posted on 03/18/2004 5:15:24 AM PST by Elsie (When the avalanche starts... it's too late for the pebbles to vote....)
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To: BMCDA
...the problem is that we cannot tell one way or the other simply because we don't have any other universes (which have been designed resp, not designed) as a reference.

You are absolutely right here. All we can do is to look at the world that surrounds us, and make judgement calls.


What we have to be sure of is that we do not have an idea of how something happened, before we examine the evidence, for that may taint our conclusion. Now we also know that THIS is highly unlikely, but at least by being AWARE of it, we may then be on guard for it.

Jury selection can play a bIG part in the outcome of a trial.

585 posted on 03/18/2004 5:19:31 AM PST by Elsie (When the avalanche starts... it's too late for the pebbles to vote....)
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