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To: Right Wing Professor; js1138; Elsie; Doctor Stochastic; Amelia; balrog666; Junior; PatrickHenry; ...
The following statements are excerpted from here. I would like to use this as a reference for discussion concerning this contoversy. Please read the statements and my response as seen below, and respond as you have time and opportunity. If you're ambitious, go ahead and read the whole presentation.

Even if we remain in disagreement over the subject, I hope we will understand why we disagree. And no, I do not count myself or the author of this essay to be the ultimate authority on what is "real" and what is not.

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"Science is a way of seeking principles of order in the universe."

I agree with this statement. Do you?

"Science, as an intellectual activity, encompasses observations about the natural world that can be measured and quantified, and the ideas based thereon can be tested, verified, falsified, or modified."

I agree with this statement. Do you?

"Scientists, when speaking about scientific finding, do not speak in absolutes as is done in the name of religion."

I agree with this statement. Do you? And let me be frank at this point. It is exactly here that I have a real problem with DOGMATIC evolutionists, and I'm not just talking about people who have stupid dogs. With respect to the possibility of even a single intelligent being having repsonsibility for the creation and sustenation of the known universe, scientists, to be faithful in their quest for ALL the facts, must leave this as an OPEN QUESTION. The word "impossible" is an absolute, is it not?

564 posted on 03/17/2004 7:21:25 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Fester Chugabrew
With respect to the possibility of even a single intelligent being having repsonsibility for the creation and sustenation of the known universe, scientists, to be faithful in their quest for ALL the facts, must leave this as an OPEN QUESTION. The word "impossible" is an absolute, is it not?

Well, no one claims it is impossible. The problem however is how to verify this.

How would you for instance, verify the claim that our universe has been created last Thurday with all our memories, appearance of age, etc.? And how can you tell that the date of creation wasn't instead on Thursday two weeks ago?
This scenario may be true after all but it is simply not falsifiable and therefore it ain't science.

So our universe may or may not be created by a supreme being but the problem is that we cannot tell one way or the other simply because we don't have any other universes (which have been designed resp, not designed) as a reference.

567 posted on 03/17/2004 8:17:14 PM PST by BMCDA
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To: Fester Chugabrew

"Science is a way of seeking principles of order in the universe."

I agree with this statement. Do you?  Yes

"Science, as an intellectual activity, encompasses observations about the natural world that can be measured and quantified, and the ideas based thereon can be tested, verified, falsified, or modified."

I agree with this statement. Do you? Yes, but tested, verified, are VERY important!

"Scientists, when speaking about scientific finding, do not speak in absolutes as is done in the name of religion."

I agree with this statement. Do you? Yes

 The word "impossible" is an absolute, is it not?  Yes; and so is done in the name of religion."


582 posted on 03/18/2004 5:03:56 AM PST by Elsie (When the avalanche starts... it's too late for the pebbles to vote....)
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To: Fester Chugabrew
"Science is a way of seeking principles of order in the universe."

I agree with this statement. Do you?

Many of my colleagues are synthetic chemists. They're trying to build new molecules, or find new ways to synthesize old ones. So, no, I don't agree.

"Scientists, when speaking about scientific finding, do not speak in absolutes as is done in the name of religion."

I agree with this statement. Do you?

No. The second law of thermodynamics is as absolute a statement as exists.

602 posted on 03/18/2004 12:28:22 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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