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To: DannyTN
Between my list of Christian scientists and your list of Greek discoveries, I'd say we've proven that religion in general doesn't limit scientific inquiry.

Wrong in both cases. Socrates was sentenced to death for "impiety." And Galileo was convicted of heresy and locked up for the last seven years of his life. These are only the most famous cases. There were others.

Scientists are quite sensitive to such things. Which is why they are quick to resist anti-rational movements like creationism and ID. They know what it's all about, even if most of the followers of creationism and ID haven't a clue.

129 posted on 03/13/2004 7:47:19 PM PST by PatrickHenry (A compassionate evolutionist.)
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To: PatrickHenry
Including Socrates as a scientific inquirer is a bit of stretch if we consider that the term science had a larger designation than it does now. Plus, Socrates renounced the the scientistific inquiry of his day.
136 posted on 03/13/2004 8:03:52 PM PST by cornelis
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To: PatrickHenry
. . . anti-rational movements like creationism and ID.

I'm not sure how much of a "movement" is taking place, but I am dead sure it should not be described as "anti-rational."

With all of the structures and technology humans have been able to build, not a single one throughout history, let alone all of them combined, have been able to design and construct a living, human being, let alone a living organism. Imagine them trying to do so using neither design nor intelligence.

If anything is "anti-rational," it is the notion that a living organism could come about without the presence of either intelligence or design. That is "anti-rational" to the point of absurdity.

I am surprised at the number of people who think a serious diaglogue is warranted to defend the mere probability of intelligent design, but I will take it as further confirmation of the biblical teaching that man would rather be purely "anti-rational" than face the prospect of accountability to someone other than himself.

142 posted on 03/13/2004 8:31:49 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: PatrickHenry
"Socrates was sentenced to death for "impiety." And Galileo was convicted of heresy and locked up for the last seven years of his life. "

Yet Galileo was very religious. In his works he wrote to the effect that the scriptures are true, only the interpretation made by some (Roman Catholic hierarchy) was faulty. And this was in the 1600's, a time when much of the Roman Catholic heirarchy was corrupt.

Galileo contended that proper interpretation of Scripture would agree with observed fact. The "Book of Nature," written in the language of mathematics would agree with the "Book of Scripture," written in the everyday language of the people. Besides, the "Bible teaches men how to go to heaven, not how the heavens go," and it would be "a terrible detriment for the souls if people found themselves convinced by proof of something that it was made then a sin to believe."

Galileo and Christianity

Galileo even better quotes

146 posted on 03/13/2004 8:55:14 PM PST by DannyTN
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