Ohio's Critical Analysis of Evolution

Critical Evaluation of Evolution ^ | March 2004 | Ohio State Board of Education

[bondserv]

Acts 17:26
  From one man he made every nation of men, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he determined the times set for them and the exact places where they should live.
 
 
Romans 5:12
  Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned--
 
 
Romans 5:15-19
15.  But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God's grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many!
 16.  Again, the gift of God is not like the result of the one man's sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification.
 17.  For if, by the trespass of the one man,death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God's abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ.
 18.  Consequently, just as the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men, so also the result of one act of righteousness was justification that brings life for all men.
 19.  For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.

Pretty much throws Theistic evolution out the window, and every other form of evolution for that matter.

Good work with the instruction. More please!

[Fester Chugabrew]

I don't believe any operational definition of "design" exists.

What to do. What to do. Shall we make it our aim to come up with one? Are you interested, or is it so impossible that we should not even try?

By "operational" I assume you mean a definition that can be fit into the process of scientific testing. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

[balrog666]

Actually I'd like to get paid for the work of producing a new molecule without regard for either intelligence or design. Job security is what it's all about.

Never mind that, my lad. I wish to complain about this parrot what I purchased not half an hour ago from this very boutique.

[js1138]

or is it so impossible that we should not even try?

It must be difficult, because the most scientifically credentialed proponents have been unable to come up with one.

[Fester Chugabrew]

Here's another question for ya:

Can intelligence exist without having some attribute of design?

Take the question on face value, please. Try to think about it as if your little brother were asking you and not the boarish oaf on the other end of this keyboard.

[js1138]

I have a couple of dogs that appear to be devoid of intelligence or design. I'd say their creation was a random event.

[Fester Chugabrew]

Have you been sneaking a taste or three of my meds?

[Doctor Stochastic]

Embarazada for example? Why does Babelfish give "embarazado"?

[js1138]

Why not?

[Fester Chugabrew]

Because clear, friendly thinking is requested at this time.

[Michael_Michaelangelo]

Design detection programs.

Have you seen the genetically modified fish that glow in the dark? How would you detect ID in those fish? If you knew nothing of them, would you attribute their makeup to RM/NS?

[PatrickHenry]

This thread needs to be put out of its misery.

[Amelia]

Because clear, friendly thinking is requested at this time.

I'm sorry, you seem to be either incapable of or unwilling to endulge in clear thinking.

I'm quite tired of the circular "logic" and twisting of words you're engaging in here.

You're not trying to learn anything, you're trying to press an agenda.

You've shown yourself unwilling to try to learn anything on your own.

You've admitted you have no knowledge of science, yet you're trying to engage in scientific debate.

If you were a child, I'd have a bit more patience, although I don't come here to have discussions with children.

An adult debating like a child tries my patience severely, and I think I've had enough of this "discussion".

[Junior]

Evolution has been debunked and is now considered by all but the most intransigent as a dead religion.

Really? Do you have any actual evidence to back up this claim, or are you simply parroting something you heard some creationist spout, and being unable to actually reason things out for yourself you simply repeat this comforting mantra?

Please note, there has been no published original research on ID or creationism. By "orinal" I mean a paper wherein research is presented in such detail as to be replicable by other researchers to test the writer's conclusions. Evolutionary biologists publish such work all the time and other evolutionary biologists test the former's efforts constantly looking for flaws. Creationists, on the other hand, parse scientific literature looking for something that can be taken out of context in an effort to bolster their particular views (even if the result is 180º out from the original intent of the writer). This is how creationists do "research." Nothing original, just scavenging the scraps of scientific work real scientists do.

So, unless you can put your money where your mouth is, Old Cracker, you really don't have a dog in this hunt.

[Junior]

At least he isn't posting in Blue. Also, he still seems moderately sane, unlike another creationist poster on this thread.

[Fester Chugabrew]

Since you are apparently unwilling to offer up a working definition of "intelligence" or "design" so we can see how these apply to a "hypothesis" I will go ahead and do it myself.

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in·tel·li·gence    ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (n-tl-jns)
n.

1. 1. The capacity to acquire and apply knowledge.
   2. The faculty of thought and reason.
   3. Superior powers of mind. See Synonyms at mind.
2. An intelligent, incorporeal being, especially an angel.
3. Information; news. See Synonyms at news.
4. 1. Secret information, especially about an actual or potential enemy.
   2. An agency, staff, or office employed in gathering such information.
   3. Espionage agents, organizations, and activities considered as a group: “Intelligence is nothing if not an institutionalized black market in perishable commodities” (John le Carré).

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de·sign    ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (d-zn)
v. de·signed, de·sign·ing, de·signs
v. tr.

1. 1. To conceive or fashion in the mind; invent: design a good excuse for not attending the conference.
   2. To formulate a plan for; devise: designed a marketing strategy for the new product.
2. To plan out in systematic, usually graphic form: design a building; design a computer program.
3. To create or contrive for a particular purpose or effect: a game designed to appeal to all ages.
4. To have as a goal or purpose; intend.
5. To create or execute in an artistic or highly skilled manner.

v. intr.

1. To make or execute plans.
2. To have a goal or purpose in mind.
3. To create designs.

n.

1. 1. A drawing or sketch.
   2. A graphic representation, especially a detailed plan for construction or manufacture.
2. The purposeful or inventive arrangement of parts or details: the aerodynamic design of an automobile; furniture of simple but elegant design.
3. The art or practice of designing or making designs.
4. Something designed, especially a decorative or an artistic work.
5. An ornamental pattern. See Synonyms at figure.
6. A basic scheme or pattern that affects and controls function or development: the overall design of an epic poem.
7. A plan; a project. See Synonyms at plan.
8. 1. A reasoned purpose; an intent: It was her design to set up practice on her own as soon as she was qualified.
   2. Deliberate intention: He became a photographer more by accident than by design.

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With these definitions in mind it is clear that a hypothesis cannot even exist without both intelligence and design.

[Fester Chugabrew]

A more beautiful meltdown could not have been hypothesized.

[Elsie]

Uhh? Are you serious or is this just a joke?

Both, actually; with a bit of mockery tossed in as well.

[Elsie]

In short, you are not allowed to use scientific reasoning to prove or disprove the existence of God.

Says WHO?

[Elsie]

In five minutes I was able to find half a dozen articles backing up my interpretation of that scripture.

And THAT makes it right??