Ohio's Critical Analysis of Evolution

Critical Evaluation of Evolution ^ | March 2004 | Ohio State Board of Education

[js1138]

Don't waste your money on rental. Buy it. It is their best movie. I believe there is a deleted scene on the DVD dealing with a suicide mission. There aren't more than half a dozen skits in it that aren't perfect.

[longshadow]

Not too late.

Too late for all the free publicity they would have garnered for releasing it on the same date as Gibson's film. Probably too late for the spectacle of seeing two lines at the multiplex, one of fans for "Passion", the other for "Life of Brian" glaring, and tossing insults and popcorn, at each other.

[js1138]

I could easily be in either line. Or perhaps pull a Kerry. Buy a ticket for one, watch the other, and change theaters halfway through.

[Right Wing Professor]

If one believes that ALL of Crestion got messed up; then you don't.

Sure. If ID is Godidit, then I guess this is Satandidit.

I'll go look for a naturalistic explanation, if that's OK with you. And maybe that's just as well. If the Prince of Darkness is capable of making such a confusing mess of my genome, I don't think I want to be setting myself up in direct opposition :-). As WC Fields said, this is no time to be making enemies.

[longshadow]

you left out the best part: when he survives the "trip" with the aliens, he looks up from the rubble, and a man who happened to watch the WHOLE thing says, "you lucky bastard!"

Like I said, I'll have to rent it again; it's been so long I didn't remember that part of it!

[js1138]

I love to pose the hypothetical question, what if you discovered that Satan is more powerful than God, and Good people will be punished for eternity. Do you stick with good, or go with power? What moral courage does it take to be good if there's no risk, and plenty of cookies at the end of the lesson?

[longshadow]

Buy a ticket for one, watch the other, and change theaters halfway through.

The more amusing thing would be for the theater to SWAP films half way through the respective movies: that would virtually guarantee at least TWO riots would break out simultaneously.

[Right Wing Professor]

What moral courage does it take to be good if there's no risk, and plenty of cookies at the end of the lesson

Furthermore, you know those are going to be fat-free cookies. It makes the situation even more problematic, when you consider that Satan has a lock on all the better forms of entertainment.

[js1138]

Actually I've seen something like that happen in the Army, where the third reel of a movie was the wrong one. I believe we were watching the original Thomas Crown Affair. Never did find out how it ended.

[js1138]

I think the Muslims are outrecruiting us because they promise better retirement benefits. Sort of like the future in Woody Allen's "Sleeper".

[Fester Chugabrew]

You didn't elaborate on what you meant by "position in retreat," so I went on the attack

I wasn't the one who developed or proposed the "irreducible complexity" argument (as if one needs a mirror to confirm there is a nose on one's face). Even pieces of a complex object, to the extent they exhibit any functionality at all, imply intelligence and design. Science can just as easily ask of those pieces, "How did this come about through natural processes?" But certain parties define "natural processes" as being devoid of any signs of intelligence or design, and that is where I beg to differ.

Show me one natural process that does not demonstrate, in any manner or degree, some form of intelligence or design. If I have the capacity to distinguish one object or process from another, then it must have distinguishing attributes; it must be formed or operate in a manner that communicates its existence through one of my senses.

If the reference point for intelligence is the human observer, and the human observer has consistently apprehended human intelligence applying itself by way of tools designed to accomplish a given task, why would it be unreasonable to infer, when the dynamism of the universe exhibits functionalism, that intelligence is also operative in those cases (albeit currently intangible through any instrument of science other than human reason)?

[longshadow]

It is their best movie.

I never thought of it as being there best, but lo and behold what IMDB has to say on the matter:

User Rating: ********__ 8.0/10 (25,579 votes) Vote Here top 250: #157

Ranked #157 of all time! I'm astounded.....

[Junior]

Laptops have a port for a normal keyboard. Plug your PC keyboard in there and go to town.

[Right Wing Professor]

Even pieces of a complex object, to the extent they exhibit any functionality at all, imply intelligence and design.

No, they don't. Some complex objects self-assemble from random components without intelligence or design. You can keep repeating this uncorroborated assertion if you like, but it doesn't advance your argument.

The Universe looks organized to you, and it is in some aspects, though not in others. You attribute organization to a designer, since in your experience organization has always been produced by a designer. But your experience is not an infallible probe of the Universe. We know of scores of complex structures that self-organize under non-equilibrium conditions without any external intervention whatsoever, let alone an intelligent intervention.

[Elsie]

THAT may explain the VOICES!

[Right Wing Professor]

When I was a lad, I remember thinking the chess game in Thomas Crown was the hottest thing I'd ever seen in a movie. I saw it again 5 years ago and was surprised how utterly tame it looked.

[Elsie]

Some complex objects self-assemble from random components without intelligence or design.

They do!?

[Elsie]

OH oh....

We agree on something...............

[Fester Chugabrew]

But your experience is not an infallible probe of the Universe.

May I ask whose is? Is it "Collective Science"? How am I supposed to search things out and understand them without experience?

[balrog666]

What? Did you forget the wonderful musical number at the end?