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The Bible and Homosexuality
WND.com ^ | 03-11-04 | Farah, Joseph

Posted on 03/11/2004 5:53:16 AM PST by Theodore R.

The Bible and homosexuality

Posted: March 11, 2004 1:00 a.m. Eastern

© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com

Sen. John Kerry suggested to an audience in Mississippi recently that the Bible is ambiguous on the topic of homosexuality.

"Well, I know the deep beliefs, I respect, I'm a Christian, I've read the Bible, and I know you can find the clauses that go both ways," he said. "I'm not here to argue that with you."

Well, I'm here to argue with Kerry. The Bible is clear on homosexuality – Old Testament and New Testament: Homosexuality is an abomination.

Kerry may not believe it. You may not believe it. But the Bible states it clearly and unambiguously. And, despite what Kerry says, there are no "clauses" that suggest anything else.

Here's a brief Bible study for the man who would be president.

It begins in Leviticus 18:22 (KJV): "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."

That seems pretty clear to me. Maybe Kerry has another interpretation. The chapter goes on to state that people who commit these acts, and others God considers abominations, causes the land itself to be defiled.

Then, in the New Testament, Paul writes in Romans 1:22-27:

Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

I'm still waiting for any Bible student to show me even one verse that suggests a more "tolerant" view of homosexuality.

Generally speaking, the best they can do is to suggest Jesus Himself never spoke out against homosexuality.

There are two problems with that statement:

First, Christians believe Jesus came not to overturn the law but to fulfill it. They believe He is the Word – its living fulfillment. They believe He is eternal and part of the Godhead that created the Heavens, the Earth and Man. Therefore, Jesus never contradicted any of the law. He quoted from it. He taught from it. He explained it. He affirmed it.

Second, Jesus did speak out, as recorded in Matthew 19:4-6:

And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. Here Jesus had an opportunity to explain any middle ground in this issue of men and women. As if to underscore the point, he did later provide something of an exemption for eunuchs – men who do not have testicles. But he doesn't suggest God made homosexuals, lesbians, transgendereds, transvestites or bisexuals.

Kerry likes to be on both sides of all the issues. But that's difficult when it comes to God's unambiguous Word on relations between men and women. Maybe Kerry can let the American people in on which "clauses" he's found in the Bible that would justify homosexuality as anything other than an abomination.

You can choose to believe the Bible. You can choose to disbelieve it. But you cannot say it says something it does not say.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; US: Mississippi
KEYWORDS: abomination; bible; democrat; farah; homosexual; homosexualagenda; homosexuality; jesus; kerry; kerryandgod; leviticus; newtestament; oldtestament; president; prisoners
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1 posted on 03/11/2004 5:53:17 AM PST by Theodore R.
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To: Theodore R.

2 posted on 03/11/2004 5:55:24 AM PST by Solamente
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To: Theodore R.
But you cannot say it says something it does not say.

Amen.

3 posted on 03/11/2004 5:57:11 AM PST by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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To: Theodore R.
... men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

"Receiving in themselves that recompence of their error." Sounds a lot like HIV.

4 posted on 03/11/2004 6:00:51 AM PST by Agnes Heep
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To: Theodore R.
Kerry knows absolutely nothing about the Bible---and even less about Mississippi.
5 posted on 03/11/2004 6:03:34 AM PST by twntaipan (Liberalism: The Rot on the Dung Heap of Humanity)
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To: Theodore R.
There are NO fence riders in God's Kingdom! No such thing as accepting God half way!
6 posted on 03/11/2004 6:03:37 AM PST by teletech (Friends don't let friends vote DemocRAT!)
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To: Theodore R.
"What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder."

Let's void all divorces. Or, we could stone the adulterers just like in days gone by. We may even have to incorporate teachings from the Koran, Hinduism, and other religions - since we are a melting pot.
7 posted on 03/11/2004 6:04:16 AM PST by familyofman
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To: familyofman
Let's void all divorces. Or, we could stone the adulterers just like in days gone by.

Or maybe we could just speak the truth boldly.

8 posted on 03/11/2004 6:05:30 AM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: Theodore R.
The definition revolutionists would have us believe that the great sin of Sodom was poor hospitality. hahahahaha! Oh yes, that's such a menacing thing in contrast to all other sins that God had to completely destroy Sodom.

I really think conservatives should get into the redefinition business too. Hmmmm....think of the laws we could ignore or create with this new progressive method.

9 posted on 03/11/2004 6:05:46 AM PST by King Black Robe (With freedom of religion and speech now abridged, it is time to go after the press.)
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To: WKB
ping em
10 posted on 03/11/2004 6:08:09 AM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: Theodore R.
Yes. Homosexuality is a sin. So is judging. So is hatred. Anything we do that we know is wrong is a sin. So, the question for us is do we concentrate on the sins of others and, in doing so, become a sinner ourselves by our hatred and judging evil spirit? Or do we find a way to love the sinner, recognizing that the soul that sins is in need of God's holy spirit?

Yes. Homosexuality is a sin. Holy hatred of the evil spirit thoughts that produce homosexuality is fine. But hatred of the homosexual, the sinning soul, is not.

We all need to be really careful where we let our own thoughts lead us. Our very lives are at stake.
11 posted on 03/11/2004 6:08:19 AM PST by stranger and pilgrim
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To: stainlessbanner; southern bale; dixiechick2000; jessies; onyx; flying Elvis; helen crump; ...
ping em


Is that fast enough SIR?
12 posted on 03/11/2004 6:10:45 AM PST by WKB (3!~ Term Limits: Because politicians are like diapers., need to be changed for the same reason.)
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To: familyofman
Let's void all divorces. Or, we could stone the adulterers just like in days gone by.

Not a bad idea. It certainly would make men and women think twice before marrying and committing adultery. I think the stoning would be a bit too much, though. I am all for raising the bar on marriage and the consequences of divorce and infidelity.

Can anyone tell me how our culture benefits from adultery? Homosexuality?

13 posted on 03/11/2004 6:11:53 AM PST by Bosco (Remember how you felt on September 11?)
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To: Theodore R.
There are Millions of Homosexuals who have died because of aids and if that doesn't make a statement that Homosexuality is not the right way to go then nothing will.

14 posted on 03/11/2004 6:11:53 AM PST by chatham
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To: Theodore R.
Ps 22:15
My strength is dried up like a potsherd; and my tongue cleaveth to my jaws; and thou hast brought me into the dust of death.

Ps 22:16
For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.

Strongs Concordance "dogs" 3611: to yelp, or else to attack. A euphemism meaning a male prostitute.

This section of scripture from Psalms 22 recording the thoughts of Christ on the cross, clearly reveal that the nature of homosexuality has not changed in centuries, nor it's desire to mock decency.

15 posted on 03/11/2004 6:12:54 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: stranger and pilgrim
Yes. Homosexuality is a sin. So is judging. So is hatred.
  1. Homosexuality is always an abomination.
  2. Judging is only a sin if it is unrighteous judgment.
  3. Hatred is only a sin when it is unrighteous.

16 posted on 03/11/2004 6:14:59 AM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: Theodore R.
The Bible and Homosexuality

There's no doubt in what it actually says on the topic; same for adultery, fornication (of any variety), murder, slander, etc.; even calling a Christian who doesn't provide for his family worse than an unbeliever. It's just that if A wants B and C says he cannot have it and A wants some aspect of C to make his life more palatable, then A has to come up with reasons to nullify C's injunction against B. Some of the more popular ones are:
1. Denial--C really doesn't say that at all.

2. Reinterpretation--C doesn't really mean that at all; the words were mis-translated.

3. Contextualization--C means that only in that particular sitz em leben, the Mosaic Law, but we as Christians aren't under that law but under grace where there is neither male or female and, so, it doesn't apply to us.

4. Redaction--these things said by C about B were obviously added by later editors or copyists in an attempt to justify some measure of control they were trying to impose on the religious establishment of their time and, so, we are justified in disposing of them so we can get back to the original text (this method was a favorite of Jefferson)
Strangely, though, the "original text" in 4. looks just like what they had set out to find in order for them to attempt to control the religious establishment of the present day.
17 posted on 03/11/2004 6:15:02 AM PST by aruanan
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To: Theodore R.
Perhaps Kerry's thinking of some recent, feminist-gay-lesbian-transgendered person sponsored translation of the Bible that has removed any gender-specific language and replaced it with the feminine or gender neutral language. As a Roman Catholic, of course, Kerry has probably never read the Authorized Version (King James) translation once so universal among Protestants. More likely, he was taught from the Douay translation based on St. Jerome's Latin Vulgate and reads the more recent Jerusalem Bible.
18 posted on 03/11/2004 6:15:30 AM PST by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo [Gallia][Germania][Arabia] Esse Delendam --- Select One or More as needed)
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To: Theodore R.
Some try to twist the special friendship between David and Jonathan into a perversion instead of allowing that men can have love for men without being perverts.
19 posted on 03/11/2004 6:16:53 AM PST by trebb (Ain't God good . . .)
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To: stranger and pilgrim
Agreed. Watch where you step.
20 posted on 03/11/2004 6:17:52 AM PST by gathersnomoss
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