Kerry's Veteran Organizer Joe Bangert Sang For The Enemy

Compiled | March 7, 2004 | Hon

[Hon]

"My uncle fought at Iwo Jima, Tarawa, Saipan and Okinawa."

"Traitor Joe's uncle...was a medical corpsman"

What does Bangert mean by fight?

[PattonReincarnated]

>> "Traitor Joe's uncle...was a medical corpsman"

What does Bangert mean by fight?

I have to say you guys on FR are thorough. So we know Bangert's uncle was a medical corpsman. No disrespect to corpsman, but Hon does have a point about "nean by fight". Is lying some kind of pathelogic trait of liberals. So Bangert can't have pride in his uncle for what he really was so he has to embellish his background?

Notice how Traitor Joe writes, "My uncle fought at Iwo Jima, Tarawa, Saipan and Okinawa. Yes, I am what Erickson refers to as ‘Kerry’s cronies’ and I was on that march. Erickson lies when he wrote of ‘our flag’ being flown upside down and why." Typical liberal trait ... tell a lie, and in the process accuse the other guy of lying.

I've seen the picture. And there is no excuse for flying the American flag upside down in that circumstance. They were just a bunch of long-haired, American-hating freaks. Whether they were flying the flag mocking Marines on Mount Suribachi is another story, but I don't have a difficult time believing that they were.

[Hon]

Duties of a WWII Combat Medic

(submitted by Alain Batens)

 

Medical Corpsmen :

First-Aid Man, Hospital Orderly, Litter Bearer or Ambulance Driver have identical Classification or Military Occupational Specialty which is MOS 657 . (Classification is the awarding of a MOS number based on all pertinent data concerning ability, education, training, intelligence, aptitude, occupational history, military experience, interests, personal traits, and other demonstrated qualifications . Such information will be clearly recorded so that each individual’s skills will be evaluated and used to the end that the individual will be assigned to duties in which he is of the most value to the Armed Forces) .

 Duties of a Medical Corpsman :

Administers first-aid treatment to sick, injured, or wounded .

Performs various duties to assist technicians in Medical Department activities .

Treats minor injuries and wounds, such as cuts, blisters, contusions, and lacerations, applying medicants and bandaging wounds . Makes and applies arm or leg splints, treats patients for shock, and stops bleeding by applying tourniquet at pressure points . Lifts patient onto litter, and carries to Aid Stations, Ambulance Loading Points, or Collecting Stations .

Performs routine duties in the care and treatment of patients, taking temperature and pulse readings, bathing and feeding patients, and preparing patients for operations . Makes beds, cleans and washes equipment and floors, and assists in sterilizing instruments . Performs related duties as directed .

Must have received medical basic training .

 

Other specialties & related MOS numbers

 Enlisted Men

Dental Laboratory Technician (067) Instrument Repairman Non-Electrical (098) Laundry Technician (102) Laundry Maintenance Mechanic (104) Sanitary Technician (196) Radiology Technician (264) Optician (365) Orthopedic Mechanic (366) Medical Technician (409) Medical Administrative Specialist (673) Medical Supply Technician (825) Medical Laboratory Technician (858) Pharmacy Technician (859) Surgical Technician (861)

 Officers

Medical Registrar (2431) Post Surgeon (3001) General Duty (3100) Gastro-Enterologist (3105) Opthalmologist & Otorhinolaryngologist (3106) Cardiologist (3107) Obstetrician & Gynecologist (3108) Urologist (3111) Dermatologist (3112) Allergist (3113) Anesthetist (3115) Communicable Disease (3116) Ophthalmologist (3125) Otorhinolaryngologist (3126) Neuropsychiatrist (3130) Neurosurgeon (3131) Internist (3139) General Surgery (3150) Thoracic Surgeon (3151) Plastic Surgeon (3152) Orthopedic Surgeon (3153) Venereal Disease Control (3155) Dental Officer (3170) Oral Dental Surgeon (3171) Exodontist (3172) Periodontist (3174) Prosthodontist (3175) Medical Inspector (3301) Medical Laboratory (3303) Radiologist (3306) Bacteriologist (3307) Biochemist (3309) Parasitologist (3310) Serologist (3311) Entomologist (3315) Pathologist (3325) Physical Therapy Aide (3418) Hospital Dietitian (3420) Administrative Nurse (3430) Operating Room Nurse (3443) Anesthetist Nurse (3445) General Duty Nurse (3449) Medical Supply Officer (4490) Laundry Officer (4830) Sanitary Engineer (7960)    

 

Please email me with any comments mailto:steinert@worldnet.att.net David Steinert © Copyright 2000

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[HardStarboard]

Bump for this existing Constitutional Ammendment:

3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

If this is the case, Kerry can be stopped unless the Congress approves him PRIOR TO THE ELECTION by a 2/3 vote in both the House and Senate. Hummmmmm? Might be worth a try - it might bring on Hillary, but we are going to have to defeat her sometime, why not now, when she's not ready and doesn't want to run.....it would destroy the Clinton's strategry.

[Paleo Conservative]

If this is the case, Kerry can be stopped unless the Congress approves him PRIOR TO THE ELECTION by a 2/3 vote in both the House and Senate. Hummmmmm? Might be worth a try - it might bring on Hillary, but we are going to have to defeat her sometime, why not now, when she's not ready and doesn't want to run.....it would destroy the Clinton's strategry.

On the other hand there was never any declaration of war in Vietnam. Also, no charges were ever filed against Kerry, so there's not any court verdict saying he guilty of giving aid and comfort to the enemy. This amendment was written just after the Civil War. I'm sure if a former Confederate general tried to run for president, Congress would not have approved him. It really is a part of the Constitution with no teeth.

[HardStarboard]

>>>I thought it would be increbile odds to make it through all four battles without being wounded or KIA<<<

I agree. However you never met John (I never knew his last name) who was the dockmaster at the Kona Kai Marina in San Diego. (Now called the Shelter Point Marina and Inn)

He was in the first wave on Guadacanal, Pelieu, Tarawa and Iwo Jima. He was a wonderful tough old bird that didn't talk much about his experiences - but on the few times I was around when it came up, you could see the fight, the pain and the hate for the enemy in his eyes.

John passed on a year or so ago. He was a hunble hero.... a breed we will never have enough of.

[Hon]

Here is but one excerpt from Bangert's "testimony" before the Jane Fonda-funded "Winter Soldier Investigation" charade:

BANGERT. My name is Joe Bangert. I'm a Philadelphia resident. I enlisted in the Marine Corps for four years in 1967. I went to Vietnam in 1968. My unit in Vietnam was Marine Observation Squadron Six with the First Marine Air Wing and my testimony will cover the slaughter of civilians, the skinning of a Vietnamese woman, the type of observing our squadron did in Vietnam and the crucifixion of Vietnamese either suspects or civilians in Vietnam.

MODERATOR. Mr. Bangert, there's an incident here where you found crucified bodies hanging on barbed wire fences and in the same incident you witnessed South Vietnamese civilians shot without provocation on Highway 1. Could you go into this and kind of see how they are related?

BANGERT. I can cover a couple of these at the same time. The first day I got to Vietnam I landed in Da Nang Air Base. From Da Nang Air Base I took a plane to Dong Ha. I got off the plane and hitchhiked on Highway 1 to my unit. I was picked up by a truckload of grunt Marines with two company grade officers, 1st Lts.; we were about 5 miles down the road, where there were some Vietnamese children at the gateway of the village and they gave the old finger gesture at us. It was understandable that they picked this up from the GIs there. They stopped the trucks--they didn't stop the truck, they slowed down a little bit, and it was just like response, the guys got up, including the lieutenants, and just blew all the kids away. There were about five or six kids blown away and then the truck just continued down the hill. That was my first day in Vietnam. As far as the crucified bodies, they weren't actually crucified with nails, but they would find VCs or something (I never got the story on them) but, anyway, they were human beings, obviously dead, and they would take them and string them out on fences, on barbed wire fences, stripped, and sometimes they would take flesh wounds, take a knife and cut the body all over the place to make it bleed, and look gory as a reminder to the people in the village.

Joe Bangert's Testimony Before The Winter Soldiers Investigation [Bangert Is Kerry's Vet Organizer]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1092905/posts?page=11#11

[Hon]

Bangert posted the Viet Cong anthem on usenet at alt.vietnam, where he spends a LOT of time trolling and harassing the Vietnamese in this country who post there:

DDoa`n qua^n Vie^.t Nam ddi .
Chung lo`ng cu+'u quo^'c .
Bu+o+'c cha^n do^`n vang tre^n ddu+o+`ng ga^.p ghe^`nh xa .
Co+` in ma'u chie^'n tha('ng mang ho^`n nu+o+'c .
Su'ng ngoa`i xa chen khu'c qua^n ha`nh ca .
DDu+o+`ng vinh quang xa^y xa'c qua^n thu` .
Tha('ng gian lao cu`ng nhau la^.p chie^'n khu .
Vi` nha^n da^n chie^'n dda^'u kho^ng ngu+`ng .
Tie^'n mau ra sa tru+o+`ng .
Tie^'n le^n ! Cu`ng tie^'n le^n !
Nu+o+'c non Vie^t Nam ta vu+~ng be^`n .

DDoa`n qua^n Vie^.t Nam ddi ,
Sao va`ng pha^'p pho+'i .
Da('t gio^'ng no`i que^ hu+o+ng qua no+i la^`m than .
Cu`ng chung su+'c pha^'n dda^'u xa^y ddo+`i mo+'i .
DDu+'ng dde^`u le^n go^ng xi'ch ta dda^.p tan .
Tu+` bao la^u ta nuo^'t ca(m ho+`n .
Quye^'t hy sinh ddo+`i ta tu+o+i tha('m ho+n .
Vi` nha^n da^n chie^'n dda^'u kho^ng ngu+`ng .
Tie^'n mau ra sa tru+o+`ng .
Tie^'n le^n ! Cu`ng tie^'n le^n !
Nu+o+'c non Vie^t Nam ta vu+~ng be^`n .

English Translation


Soldiers of Vietnam, we go forward,
With the one will to save our Fatherland.
Our hurried steps are sounding on the long and arduous road.
Our flag, red with the blood of victory, bears the spirit of our country.
The distant rumbling of the guns mingles with our marching song.
The path to glory passes over the bodies of our foes.
Overcoming all hardships, together we build our resistance bases.
Ceaselessly for the people's cause we struggle,
Hastening to the battle-field!
Forward! All together advancing!
Our Vietnam is strong, eternal.

Soldiers of Vietnam, we go forward!
The gold star of our flag in the wind,
Leading our people, our native land, out of misery and suffering.
Let us join our efforts in the fight for the building of a new life.
Let us stand up and break our chains.
For too long have we swallowed our hatred.
Let us keep ready for all sacrifices and our life will be radiant.
Ceaselessly for the people's cause we struggle,
Hastening to the battle-field!
Forward! All together advancing!
Our Vietnam is strong, eternal.

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&selm=Buz13.409%249V2.31962%40news2.randori.com

[VOA]

from post 28: Bangert posted the Viet Cong anthem on usenet at alt.vietnam, where he spends a LOT of time trolling and harassing the Vietnamese in this country who post there:

AR: maybe you're interested in this Joe Bangert...in the remote likelihood you've
not heard of him before.

[jokar]

Bump Bangert's a lovely fellow.

[Verginius Rufus]

Uncle Joe Bangert may have been a corpsman, but he was in the thick of the fighting on Sugar Loaf, scene of some of the bloodiest and most intense fighting in all of World War II. He was trying to save American Marines rather than to kill the enemy, but I wouldn't question his bravery. The information about him in Feifer's book is obviously from Feifer interviewing him, but it has the ring of truth.

Victor Davis Hanson's cousin Victor Hanson was killed on Sugar Loaf Hill on May 19, 1945...perhaps he was one of the casualties Uncle Joe tried to save.

[Deb]

You're the best.

[rwfromkansas]

bump

[Tommie Paine]

The Traitor Part 1—When Dusty’s mom is unable to pay her medical bills, Extensive Enterprises, a covert Cobra supplier, offers to lend a hand. It seems Cobra Commander is very interested in acquiring the formula to G. I. Joe’s indestructible armor coating. Instead, Dusty sells them information about a Joe ambush that nearly costs Duke his life. Episode 2: The Traitor Part 2—Now labeled a traitor, Dusty joins Cobra in their destruction of G. I. Joe. And to top that off, Cobra’s got a few Joe prisoners on which to try out their mind-control gas. As Dusty’s final test of loyalty, Cobra Commander puts him in charge of pulling the switch.

[Tommie Paine]

Or maybe he would make you say you were a weasel and jump out before he pushed you.

[Joee]

Although I have no use for Hanoi Kerry, the response doesn't belong to me, or at least I have no recollection of it.

[Tommie Paine]

But if he has 'gone over' in Vietnam chubs like that look like Buddha and get their bellies rubbed and their dinners paid as a honorific treat.

Hue, Saigon and now Hanoi. Oi Vey! Who knew!

[Tommie Paine]

Maybe Joe Bangert was a My-Cong! Yikes. I think I saw him once doing Agent Orange stuff, like 25 years ago, same Joe Bangert ya think?

[Interesting Times]

Here's a new letter published at WinterSoldier.com that exposes some of Joe Bangert's lies:

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A lot of the Winter Soldier testimony is made up, you know. I think a lot of vets were sick of the war. They received no acclaim for serving, but suddenly got stature from both being "disturbed and traumatized" by the war. Suddenly they got their 15 minutes of fame by laying bare their souls about war crimes.

I have frequently heard people claiming to be Marine Vets talk about the awful times they had in "the Nam". They usually claim to be Marines, and go at length about the atrocities they were engaged in. I usually ask them what unit they served in, and they will make up some number that is not in the Marine Corps. They won't know what bases they operated out of. So only believe about 1% of what you hear.

A typical example of an individual who is slinging BS big time is this guy Bangert from the Winter Soldier Investigation. Here's a summary of what he told the Winter Soldier "Investigation":

Joe Bangert enlists in 1968, and serves in VMO-6, an aviation unit that flies very small observation planes. Banger does not state his MOS (Military Occupational Specialty), but almost all the enlisted men in these units were maintenance types - fix airplanes, attach bombs, fix radios, etc. They usually did not fly, and they saw very little combat.

Bangert says he sees a truck load of Marines murder a bunch of children on his first day with two officers present. Then he sees bodies "crucified" on perimeter wire, apparently cut up with knives and hung on the wire. Then he has a friend who is CIA who takes him somewhere, murders a woman with twenty shots, then cuts open her vagina, takes out her organs and skins her. The perpetrator was a former military officer, and two other field grade officers knew about it.

Then Bangert works with the pacification program in Vietnam, and travels extensively through Quang Tri Province. He sees approximately twenty deformed infants under the age of one.

Bangert sees journalists, specifically women journalists who were readily welcomed into the unit. There was always this whitewashing thing. Well, sometimes these people would go right past the bodies and come into our base to get a story. They were kept away from the enlisted men, away from the people who were involved. The typical thing was to take them down to the Officers Club, get them soused.

Elsewhere in his testimony, Bangert claims to be a door gunner with two helo units.

Anybody who believes these tall tales is awfully gullible. Bangert worked for a light observation squadron - very little combat. The men worked like coolies, often 16 hours a day 7 days a week, servicing planes, refueling, rearming, preparing, cleaning, maintaining. Usually they did not fly. They did not get to wander off on secret CIA missions. They did not participate in the CAP program - these were separate small units who lived permanently in villages, protecting the villages from the VC. They did not get to wander around Quang Tri looking at deformed kids. He states on his first day he sees a bunch of kids murdered on Route 1 -- this the main thoroughfare through the area, not some remote area. Can you imagine the press coverage? He says the press saw the crucified bodies, but were wooed with booze and did not report on this. Come on, get real.

So how much is the rest fabricated? Some no doubt is true. When a story is limited, it is more credible. But a lot of it is people telling tales, pathological liars and just plain liars. Bangert leads a rich fantasy llfe suitable for Stephen King.

As the song says, "lie lie lie, lie lie lie lie, lie lie lie, lie lie lie..."

Sen Star

We're accumulating reports that subject the wild claims of the Winter Soldier witnesses to the harsh light of reality. Thanks for this excellent example.

-- Admin

[VOA]

Maybe Joe Bangert was a My-Cong! Yikes. I think I saw him once doing Agent Orange stuff,
like 25 years ago, same Joe Bangert ya think?

I know it sounds judgemental, but I'd have doubts about anyone who appears
willingly on-camera with John Kerry.