Firing on U.S. Citizens.

Vanity | Fithee

[Fithee]

As I recall, just after the Clintons were elected (remember we got two for one) a questionaire went out to military personnel asking them if they would be willing to fire on their fellow American citizens. I believe it was related to the confiscation of firearms.

If anyone has kept references to newspaper articles that validate that 'horrific' democratic socialist liberal leftist act, please post.

[Henrietta]

"Going to get a lot worse, imo. The PTB have the so called right and left hating each other so much they'll accept about any action of government as long as it's directed at the opposition. In the end it gives them increased power over us all, which of course is the goal to start with."

Agreed. Divide and conquer, right?

[Henrietta]

"I don't think justice is even in the picture anymore."

Me neither. The State needs bodies, a continual stream of them to justify the existence of programs and personnel designed to keep us "safe," all while convincing us to give up ever more of our liberties.

The Senate voted to extend the AWB today. Feel safer?

[steve50]

Agreed. Divide and conquer, right?

When you take a close look at history it seems to have always been the case. As long as we're lynching each other we're not going after the real crooks.

[AFreeBird]

Thanks, I was specifically looking for a comment on #58, which mentioned SEALS.

Would you say that was indicitive of thinking amongst the lower ranks, even in the SEALS?

Just curious.

[harpseal]

How one answers such a survey and how one actually behaves are really two seperate issues. I personally am convinced that the majority of memebrs of the teams would very much turn their weapons on those giving the orders. I could be wrong but that is just y opinion. They also realize they too will become civilians at some point.

[Windsong]

"Just the WOD people. No price is too great to pay, no loss of liberty too extreme, to fight the WOD in their minds. I flatly don't understand the WOD mindset, but I see no real difference between it (the WOD mindset) and the anti-gunner mindset

Consider that a majority of the conservative base is rooted in Judeo-Christian ethics. Now ask, would Christ sooner be anti-gun, or anti-drug? Probably the latter ("Let him carry a sword"), considering the Old Testament's stance against drunkenness.

[Windsong]

"Just the WOD people. No price is too great to pay, no loss of liberty too extreme, to fight the WOD in their minds. I flatly don't understand the WOD mindset, but I see no real difference between it (the WOD mindset) and the anti-gunner mindset

Consider that a majority of the conservative base is rooted in Judeo-Christian ethics. Now ask, would Christ sooner be anti-gun, or anti-drug? Probably the latter ("Let him carry a sword"), considering the Old Testament's stance against drunkenness.

[ChadGore]

February 26th, 1993: First World Trade Center Attack.

February 26th, 1993:Waco

[ChadGore]

Opps, make that:

February 26th, 1993: First World Trade Center Attack.

February 28th, 1993:Waco

[Windsong]

oops...

[templar]

. Now ask, would Christ sooner be anti-gun, or anti-drug

Christ didn't oppose slavery either. Was he on the South's side in the civil war? I believe it was Frank Buchman, a noted and highly influential Lutheran evangalist, that proclaimed Adolph Hitler to be Christ's answer to Communism back in the '30s.

I find it more personally productive to try to be on God's side than to try to invoke him to being on my side. And I don't see the WOD as being at all Godly in nature.

[Windsong]

Well, I don't disagree with you there. At times I think he would be neither, since he obviously had a problem with man's narrow way of thinking. His statement "Reject the world and everything in it, for my kingdom is not of it" says a lot about our petty politics, IMHO. On Judgement Day, mankind will be judged according to the His word, not ours.

"And why dost thee care for that? Follow me, thou!"

[philetus]

13 % said they would fire on their own. There was talk of the 13% from each group being put together in units.

[raloxk]

I remember that back in 1993

[raloxk]

I actually think Terezza could be worse than Hillary

[raloxk]

"The Clinton Administration found some military 'suck ups' and 'kiss a$$es' to do its dirty work."

Wesley Clark?

[Poohbah]

I hope that SEAL Team Six Petty Officer 2nd Class, W. Kelly is no longer part of our armed forces. I also hope that he is entirely ATYPICAL of those serving with honor in both the armed forces and in the various special forces.

I sincerely doubt that "W. Kelly" was ever in SEAL Team Six--that name for the unit went out of use long before that email was sent. Additionally, operators assigned to the Naval Special Warfare Development Group (the correct name for the unit in question) are not known for being chatty about their work while they're in that assignment.

Frankly, I doubt that "W. Kelly" was ever a SEAL, or even a Petty Officer 2nd Class. (Note that the elusive Mr. Kelly didn't have a rate, such as bosun's mate, radioman, or any other job specialty.)

[Travis McGee]

I don't believe any SEALs ever took the survey. I believe LCDR Cunningham's version, that this was a one-time test given to 300 marines for his PHD thesis on operaions-other-than-war.

[Travis McGee]

I think that anyone evil enough to begin confiscation would be aware of the dynamics, and would pre-select the unit based on their willingness to fire on citizens. They would avoid the unit conflict, by selecting the unit entirely from those who answered the survey in the affirmative.

[Travis McGee]

Eaxactly. See my last reply.