Posted on 02/27/2004 7:54:46 AM PST by Copernicus
Call Senator Craigs office and learn for yourself what his position is!
The girls said she could find no definition of "armor piercing."
Sounds like a blank check.
Do they know what their director, Senator Craig, is doing to outlaw possession of armor piercing ammunition (his office could not define armor piercing).
Mr. CRAIG. Mr. President, in response to the Senator from Massachusetts, his legislation goes at long guns, rifles, and their ammunition. What I did not say, with him coming back into the Chamber, is we do direct the Attorney General to look at, over a period of time, 2 years--no later than that--and report to the Senate Judiciary Committee, on which the Senator serves, a study to see whether what the Senator is proposing in his amendment wipes from the shelves of this country the kind of hunting ammunition we believe it will, and that certainly a good many others do.
I am not insensitive to what the Senator is saying, but I am saying, let's get the facts. We do not want to wipe out half the hunting or two-thirds of the hunting ammunition and the target ammunition in this country. That is legitimate. It is law abiding. Does it get misused? Yes. Does some of it have armor-piercing capability, to some extent? Yes.
Certainly this is what our intent is. In the meantime, let's toughen the law. Let's send the message to the criminal element in our country that armor-piercing ammunition is flat off limits or you pay a phenomenal price for it.
Is it a deterrent? The Senator from Massachusetts would suggest it is not. In most instances, we find good, tough law enforcement, and a reality known by those who would commit crimes with this kind of ammunition in this country, does serve as a deterrent. That is the intent of the amendment. We believe it is a good amendment.
What it looks like Craig did was give us two years to get this pulled and Kennedy out of office. In the meantime, anyone committing a felony with "AP" ammo is going away for life.
"We don't want to wipe out the hunting and sporting ammunition," said Craig. The "sporting purpose" test was used before -- as justification for firearm rights infringements via the 1938 Nazi Weapons Law and later copied nearly verbatim in the U.S. Gun Control Act of 1968.
"Let's send a message that armor piercing ammunition is flat off limits," said Sen. Craig.
The NRA Director went on to support strong enforcement of his proposed ammunition ban, using phrases like "prison for life."
What will it take for you, a personal call from Craig himself that he wants to ban armor piercing ammunition from American civilians?
Did you read the posts above--
Senator Craig's office said "possession" is included.
How do you justify that?
Do I like it? No. I want LESS gun laws, not more bullsh*t like this. Is it a deal killer? No. Should people call their Senators and try to convince them to reconsider this before fianl passage of the Bill... most definately. If the Bill passes with this tacked on, your Reps should be called and tell them to strip it in committee.
Let's just make sure we know exactly WHAT we are getting our buns in an uproar over. H'mkay?
Why don't you list them 1,2, 3 etc., so we can all be on the same page.
Senator Craig's office told me "possession."
Jill told me that "Senator Craig is sponsoring a, (paused while she looked for the paper) a Bill with Senator Frisk that would "regulate the sale and possesion of armor piercing ammunition", she also said that, "I should be aware the Senator is very pro gun and a supporter of the NRA". I said, "Yes, I am aware of his history with the NRA and his position as a Director." We then exchanged pleasantries and said, goodbye to each other.
Now Sir, may I ask why it has taken my constant jerking on your tail to get you to respond to my "accusations" regarding the NRA and Senator Craigs intentions.
I knew this "by phone" at 7:30 am PST, I have not bragged about spending the $1 intentionally. Why didn't you make the same $1 phone call?
You have been pissing and moaning all day about the "yappy little dogs are out there again. They keep getting their news from crappy little web sites that have no idea what's going on."
Well, I got mine from the horses mouth so to speak, where do you get you information from? The horses ass?
My opinion of you has dropped so low today that this will be my last response with you.
Please post a link.
Confirm ---
I was told the same thing {except Frist was not mentioned ).
This is the introduction to Craig's amendment and apparently where his office is reading "possession."
Your link to the amendment does show that "possession" is only when accompanied by a crime.
It would have helped if you had posted a quote earlier.
I like seeing Teddy steamed. Not quite as much as I would enojy seeing him behind bars or doing a "short drop and a sudden stop".
U.S.Code title 18, section 921. DEFINITIONS
Link to U.S. Code definition-- definition
"(B) The term ''armor piercing ammunition'' means -
" (i) a projectile or projectile core which may be used in a handgun and which is constructed entirely (excluding the presence of traces of other substances) from one or a combination of tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass, bronze, beryllium copper, or depleted uranium; or
" (ii) a full jacketed projectile larger than .22 caliber designed and intended for use in a handgun and whose jacket has a weight of more than 25 percent of the total weight of the projectile.
" (C) The term ''armor piercing ammunition'' does not include shotgun shot required by Federal or State environmental or game regulations for hunting purposes, a frangible projectile designed for target shooting, a projectile which the Secretary finds is primarily intended to be used for sporting purposes, or any other projectile or projectile core which the Secretary finds is intended to be used for industrial purposes, including a charge used in an oil and gas well perforating device. "
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