Posted on 02/27/2004 7:54:46 AM PST by Copernicus
I'm sure I would have preferred S.1805 without the Boxer/Kohl amendment, but now that it's attached, I'm just not sure that amendment alone is enough reason to kill all of S.1805.
Any Ammo ban amendment or AWB extension amendment would definitely be a deal killer.
I'm not so sure about the Boxer/Kohl gun locks amendment. I would have preferred to wait until there was an obvious need for the type of protection that this amendment provides to gun owners, and I'm not sure the tradeoff of requiring dealers to provide locks with handguns was necessary. On the other hand, now that this amendment is part of the Senate version of the bill, I'm not sure it's worth killing the whole deal to get rid of it.
Perhaps it would be best to wait and see on this issue until S.1805 either passes or fails, and if it passes with this amendment, work hard to keep it out of the House version and get it removed in the conference committee.
Mostly, I was pointing out that this particular amendment is quite complex and not completely "anti-gun" as it is often presented. And, like I said before, there has been a lot of misinformation about this particular amendment in the past few days, mostly aimed at inflaming emotions and trying to get pro-gun individuals to seriously harm their own credibility when they contact their Senators.
skip2myloo wrote:Actually, "they" aren't going to come after you with criminal charges. What could potentially happen is that a victim or victim's survivor might come after you in a civil lawsuit.
Now, here's a thug that's committed 4 serious felonies, and they're gonna come get me as an accessory to murder because I didn't have my gun secured "properly" with some $6.95 Master Lock ?? To me, that's just insane.
skip2myloo wrote:Since it would be a civil case, and "they" would be the plaintiff, "they" should have to bear the burden of proof to prove that the gun was unlocked when it was stolen/used without your permission.
I'll still have to defend myself and possibly still lose because I can't prove I was in compliance with Boxer/Kohl.
"Perhaps it would be best to wait and see on this issue until S.1805 either passes or fails..."
You and I are in violent agreement :)
Thank you. I think I now can see what's going on. This is a grand chess game, and I think I can see the endgame.
This is all about the AW ban, not the industry protection bill.
Schumerstein and Kennedy (actually, Soros and McKelvey, in reality) will become more and more desperate as the time for the AW ban to expire gets closer and closer. As long as S.1805 is still sitting somewhere with their precious gungrab still attached to it, they're going to have to push for the gungrab as attached to S.1805. If S.1805 leaves the Senate without antigun amendments - and in particular the AW ban - Fiendswine will sit there hammering the Senate to death, shrieking like a banshee, making it impossible to get any work done. (Yes, they should just stand up to the vile old harpy - but they don't have that kind of backbone; we've got the same shituation here in Oregon where a similar piece of Commie trash, Sen. Ginny Burdick (here unaffectionately known as "Burdbrain"), held the entire Legislature hostage last session, squealing and squawking until they agreed to allow her pet anti-gun bill a hearing).
So in a sense, rather than S. 1805 being poisoned by the AW ban (assuming it gets attached), the AW ban is going to end up getting poisoned by S. 1805 - because even if there is *no* action on industry protection, the AW ban *will* expire all by its filthy little self, if we can manage to play out the clock.
Meanwhile, as long as Craig and NRA and etc. appear to be dealing in earnest, and S. 1805 with all sorts of verminous gungrab amendments is festering in some committee somewhere, Schumerstein & Co. won't be able to get any traction in polluting any other legislation with the AW ban, no matter how loud they squeal - their RINO "Colleagues" will be able just point to the "Stalled" legislation, shake their heads in sympathy, and insist that "we have to move on"...
My guess is NRA has no expectation whatsoever of S. 1805 passing. They expect to continue negotiating and haggling over it until the AW ban expires, and then let it die in committee.
Meanwhile, all the good Senators can go on apace, smiling for the camera, issuing press releases, and appearing on Face the Commie-entator or whatever, while Clinton's precious piece of tyrannical bilge (for which it said it would give up its Presidency, if I remember correctly, back when the House PASSED a REPEAL of the AW ban) dies its well-deserved death, twisting slowly, slowly in the wind...
Then, next session, after we've thrown a few more Communists out of the Clowngress, we will ram the Industry Protection bill through - and Schumerstein, Soros & Co. will not have *nearly* as much to bargain with...
I'm not saying I approve of this strategy, or that I approve of NRA approving of it (if they do in fact approve of it), or that we shouldn't try to get S.1805 through without amendments, or that we shouldn't keep calling the Senate until all the bars in DC run out of liquor and all the drugstores run out of Xanax - I'm just saying I think I can see what's going through whatever it is they have that passes for minds, up there in the rarefied atmosphere of Wastington...
I fully expect such a proposal will be offered.
The question is, how will it fare ??
We shall see.
I am a voting member of the NRA and have sent them contributions over the years. I am a "silver bullet" member sponsor.
I also associate with and respect the 75 Million American 2nd Amendment Supporters who DO NOT belong to the NRA.
Sadly, I believe the NRA "speaks" for the 2nd Amendment Community in much the same way Jesse Jackson "speaks" for the Black Community- in a top-down, we know what is best for you,misguided patronizing way.
We are buried in experts who have answers to everything and solutions to nothing.
The NRA, particularly the NRA-ILA, has been infiltrated by these experts who fix things that aren't broken until they are ruined beyond repair.
It is time for the vast overwhelming majority of the 75 million other 2nd Amendment Defenders to stop these quislings who destroy rights in the name of their salvation.
I will instruct my representatives (again) to vote for a completely "clean" 1805 or shut it down.
Zero tolerance and all that.
Best regards,
If you want to express opposition to any of the controversial amendments, fax or call your Senators today (or tomorrow morning at the latest). S.1805 isn't going to keep kicking around in committee (unless S.1805 is voted down, then another nearly identical version might come up).
Feinstein's AWB and Craig's ammo ban amendments will be voted on tomorrow. After that, S.1805 will be voted on. The clock is running very quickly on this bill.
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Zero tolerance and all that.
I appreciate your position and support, not identical to my own, but certainly parallel.
Either S.1805 goes, or I no longer recognize the legitimacy of any constitutional authority. The United States is over and done with.
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