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What "Gay" Marriage Will Mean for our Children
Mission America ^ | 2/22/04 | Linda P. Harvey

Posted on 02/22/2004 4:50:09 PM PST by GrandMoM

What "Gay" Marriage Will Mean for our Children

By Linda P. Harvey

Column originally published on, July 19, 2003 © 2003

"Same sex marriage? It doesn't bother me!"

In many circles, this is the prevailing sentiment regarding the possible legalization of same-sex relationships as "marriages" in the U.S. If the Supreme Court in the state of Massachusetts rules in favor of the homosexual couples who have sued for marriage rights, then other states will most likely be forced to recognize these couplings as marriages under the Full Faith and Credit Clause of the U.S. Constitution.

There's just one problem with this angle: It doesn't take into account the impact on children. If same-sex relationships become the law of the land, then homosexual marriage will be presented to America's schoolchildren as the equivalent of heterosexual marriage.

Here's how and why it will happen. Right now, the vast majority of U.S. public school districts have put themselves in a very vulnerable position, one that conservatives have been warning about for years but few school boards listened. What they've done is add under their non-discrimination policies the category of "sexual orientation." It only remains for enough time to elapse - and for same-sex marriage to be legalized - for "gay" education activists to force schools to implement sweeping changes in curricular content.

Among those changes will be "diverse" textbooks that include same-sex couples as role models, even for little children. To refuse such content will be considered "discrimination," and the American Civil Liberties Union and Lambda Legal Defense Fund will take that district to court, as they have recently in order to force homosexual clubs onto schools. If not those two well-heeled groups, then the National Education Association will sue, as it has promised, on behalf of any teachers involved. Increasingly liberal courts, modeling themselves after the Supremes, are pretty likely to rule in favor of such plaintiffs.

That also goes for the "right" of teachers who are homosexual to wear wedding rings, talk about their homosexual spouses with students and introduce spouses at school functions. Your little Katie will learn in kindergarten that "Mrs." Jones is married to another "Mrs." Jones - and that she can grow up and choose to do the same if she wishes. It is, after all, her "right."

Grade-school and middle-school anti-bias units will now crank into high gear the focus on homosexuals and cross-dressers. Because marriage is now legalized, children will be persuaded in misleading material that anyone who objects to homosexual behavior is not simply biased, that person is breaking the law. The take-away for students from these shallow lessons will be that it is illegal to criticize homosexuality, and every person young or old should be protected from the mean conservatives. Standing up for equality in America will translate into the freedom to practice homosexuality for every student who "discovers" such inclinations.

Sex education will be required to take into account this new form of "family" and abstinence - until - marriage education will take a twisted new turn. Suddenly, it will be co-opted by Planned Parenthood and other liberal activists with their own unique spin. Every student will be taught that, of course, abstinence until heterosexual or homosexual marriage is fine if that's one's choice. But since pregnancy isn't a danger for homosexuals, sex can be a wonderful option for younger and younger people - as long as it's carried out "responsibly," of course - like brushing one's teeth. To not teach this would be, again "discrimination" based on sexual orientation. Condoms are always available for those who can't wait. Let's show you third-graders how this condom fits on this banana, just so you are prepared.

Expect a whole new crop of young adult novels featuring same-sex romance leading to marriage to appear instantly and be adopted just as magically by middle-school and high-school language departments throughout the U.S. Your 13-year-old Kyle will be required to read and give a book report on a novel where Bruce and Jason meet, date and get married. What won't be covered is how Bruce and Jason split up a year later after cheating on each other dozens of times.

And it gets better (or worse). This stop-gap standard will last for just a few years, until the inevitable next piece of the puzzle is in place. Hank and Jim will petition the courts to allow Mary, the biological mother of "their" adopted child, to become part of their marriage. After all, what business does the court have in their bedrooms, determining who they have a right to love? Along about this same time, Cindy and her partner, Luke (who is really Lucy, except that she dresses like a man) will demand that the law recognize Luke as a "husband" in spite of her biology. And so will emerge the accompanying new curricular materials reflecting the legalization of group marriage and transgender unions, making sure every U.S. school child knows that these are future options for him, her or them.

In such a legal and educational environment, what happens to religions that don't believe homosexuality is moral? Will those religions and their ancient teachings eventually come before some future Supreme Court and be told that they are guilty of discrimination? That their beliefs are no longer constitutional because of privacy rights?

If this sounds like lunacy, it's because it is. What we do in the bedroom has always been public, in the form of what we call a family. It becomes what we teach and pass on as wisdom to our children. And if we aren't sure what "wisdom" entails, by golly, the homosexual activists are here to tell us.

° San Francisco Becomes Outlaw Territory ° Homosexual Marriage Debate Moves Into the Schools ° The Latest on Same Sex Marriage in Massachusetts ° Is the Da Vinci Code Christian? ° Parents Against Bad Books in Schools – Get info on porn-laden school "literature" ° Hollywood's Distorted Picture of So-Called "Homophobes" ° Christian Witness to a Pagan Planet ° Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood

> Order our video on the "gay" agenda in the schools! NO TOLERANCE FOR TRUTH: What Our Children Are Learning About Homosexuality

> PARENTS & STUDENTS! Take our survey - How is homosexuality presented in your school?

> Help stop PFLAG and GLSEN

> Students - See our web site at Choice4Truth

> Organize a Group to Fight the "Gay" Agenda in Your School

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To: buffyt
Gay marriage will destroy NOTHING

My religion teaches that homosexual acts are wrong.....just as every major religion in the world does.

I don't want my tax dollars used by the public schools to teach my children the opposite of what their faith teaches.

Legalized gay marriage will enable just that.

41 posted on 02/22/2004 6:02:02 PM PST by Republic If You Can Keep It
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To: buffyt
I say leave the gays alone

I agree. No change in status for them.

42 posted on 02/22/2004 6:03:37 PM PST by Republic If You Can Keep It
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To: Republic If You Can Keep It
If they want to be gay, why can't they just keep it between themselves and God. why force society to accept it. Suppose someone says they were born with a gene that makes them defecate in front of children and some idiot Dr. says its true, what then. Do we force society to accept this as normal behavior? Then suppose a 15 year old says they have the same urges. Do we allow it in school and teach children to be tolerant of this student? We have to draw the line somewhere before life becomes chaos.
43 posted on 02/22/2004 6:12:20 PM PST by beckysueb (Lady Liberty is in danger! Bush/Cheney 04.)
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To: buffyt
From your profile...

"My husband and I both use the same login name to read and post on FR. It is easier than logging in and out all the time. "

So which of you is it? Either way, should produce some interesting conversation tonight.

TMcAullifeMcAwful/ScreamingHowardDean/SwimmingDriverTeddyKennedy/JOHaNoiJaneKerry/BBoxer = bunch of SICKOS!!!

How could someone who thinks that post what you posted? If you're just trying to stimulate conversation, it worked...

(I'd be more articulate if I had HTML skills)
44 posted on 02/22/2004 6:21:19 PM PST by ProfoundMan (The owl flies far for a candy bar.)
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To: buffyt
Gay marriage will destroy NOTHING~ these people were born this way, period! Grow up.

Even if this were true, which it most likely is not, it is still no argument for promoting this behavior as socially acceptable. People can be born schizophrenic, but we don't change our definition of society to suit them, do we?
45 posted on 02/22/2004 6:25:17 PM PST by fr_freak
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To: Peach
....mid 80's.

....I do believe that is why many 20 something young women & men have slipped into the gay world. It's rampant out here in California!!!

46 posted on 02/22/2004 6:31:36 PM PST by GrandMoM (Get the most out of every day. Do your part, but do not try to do GOD"S part!!!)
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To: GrandMoM
....some of this is all ready being implimented in our schools, but if "GAY MARRIAGE" is passed, the new lessons they learn will destroy their innocense!!!!!!

It's too late.

Most school textbooks are printed in CALIFORNIA. Because CA is one of the biggest markets (if not THE biggest) for schoolbooks, whatever they print for Californian tastes is passed along to the rest of the nation.

47 posted on 02/22/2004 6:34:06 PM PST by Kieri (Who's waiting for the return of her beloved Farscape!)
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To: Neets
I think it means there will be children brought up in the environment that will cause a rise in the number of gays and lebsians.... look around all ready has!!
48 posted on 02/22/2004 6:37:40 PM PST by GrandMoM (Get the most out of every day. Do your part, but do not try to do GOD"S part!!!)
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To: little jeremiah
49 posted on 02/22/2004 6:44:53 PM PST by GrandMoM (Get the most out of every day. Do your part, but do not try to do GOD"S part!!!)
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To: GrandMoM
I'm not as worried about the plight of children raised in normal husband and wife families being subjected to gay propaganda as I am about children being raised in gay relationships. How will a biologically normal male child grow up in a militant lesbian household where males in general are constantly being put down? Ditto for a biologically normal female. How would a biologically normal male child grow up in a homosexual household?

I think these kids can't help but to be warped by the experience.

51 posted on 02/22/2004 6:48:52 PM PST by The Great RJ
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To: GrandMoM
If the Supreme Court in the state of Massachusetts rules in favor of the homosexual couples who have sued for marriage rights, then other states will most likely be forced to recognize these couplings as marriages under the Full Faith and Credit Clause of the U.S. Constitution.

Starting the article with an obvious falsehood is not a good way to persuade your readers.

There is a federal Defense of Marriage Act that exempts states from recognizing gay marriage under the Full Faith and Credit clause, and 37 states have their own individual legislation banning the recognition of gay marriage.

This author would do well to not insult the intelligence of readers.

52 posted on 02/22/2004 6:51:14 PM PST by tdadams
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To: buffyt
Gay marriage will destroy NOTHING~ these people were born this way, period!

Well, I doubt many lesbians are born that way. I've heard some stories about 12th grade girls in a certain high school that strongly indicate to me that lesbianism can easily spread in a wave. It probably is the case that some boys are so strongly effeminate at such a young age that it is going to be difficult for them to identify as heterosexual. So you are right there. But this is not at all true with tomboys.

It probably is for the best that homosexuals, if they are not going to be celibate, get married in a Metropolitan Community Church or some such, whatever people might think of the theology in those places. They can do that today as in the 1970's. However, as shown in Stanley Kurtz's articles on the death of marriage in Scandanavia, once gay marriage is well-established in law, marriage gradually loses its allure for men of WHATEVER orientation. Now gay marriage is this exciting new thing and so has some attraction for gays, but once it is tamed by being the subject of pictures in first grade reading textbooks, it will lose all attraction for gays, and not sound too thrilling to anybody else.

The situation is serious because I don't think the marriage amendment as currently worded can pass. I hope the President tries to water it down to something easier to get through the state legislatures -- probably just allow for pure state-by-state marraige laws not honored reciprocally. Then we'll see which kind of states are best for children to grow up in.

53 posted on 02/22/2004 6:52:08 PM PST by Steve Eisenberg
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To: ProfoundMan

Guess I was a bit wound up about it.

Sorry if I came on overly strong toward you.
54 posted on 02/22/2004 6:52:44 PM PST by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: buffyt
Its time to stop discussing theory and look to the evidence. There is an article at the American Standard that is way to long to post, but it discusses the devastating impact that gay marriage has had where it has been adopted. The theories are all very good, but this is what really happens.. (link below)

From the article......AMERICANS take it for granted that, despite its recent troubles, marriage will always exist. This is a mistake. Marriage is disappearing in Scandinavia, and the forces undermining it there are active throughout the West. Perhaps the most disturbing sign for the future is the collapse of the Scandinavian tendency to marry after the second child. At the start of the nineties, 60 percent of unmarried Norwegian parents who lived together had only one child. By 2001, 56 percent of unmarried, cohabiting parents in Norway had two or more children. This suggests that someday, Scandinavian parents might simply stop getting married altogether, no matter how many children they have.
55 posted on 02/22/2004 6:54:05 PM PST by gogipper (Judgement at Nuerenburg ...... Judgement at Baghdad)
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To: hasegawasama
nothing is black or white
oh yeah
56 posted on 02/22/2004 6:56:49 PM PST by al baby (Hope I don't get into trouble for this)
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To: GrandMoM
Gay marriage...say what? Send me the notice when this folks can reproduce themselves naturally.... It is all about recruitment into an aberation of a lifestyle. Those are choices that have serious consequences.
57 posted on 02/22/2004 6:58:33 PM PST by pointsal
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To: The Great RJ
How will a biologically normal male child grow up in a militant lesbian household where males in general are constantly being put down? Ditto for a biologically normal female. How would a biologically normal male child grow up in a homosexual household?READ THIS!

`I hate you both,' teen tells women (Lesbians get 30 years for 'hate crime')

Beacon Journal ^ | Posted on Tue, Jan. 13, 2004 | Phil Trexler
Posted on 01/15/2004 3:00:22 PM PST by protest1

Rowles, Jenkins get 30 years; son faces mom `I hate you both,' teen tells women No remorse shown for abuse of 5 boys, girl By Phil Trexler Beacon Journal staff writer

The 15-year-old stood before almost every news camera in Northeast Ohio as he eyed his mother for the first time since escaping from home last spring.

Mary Rowles barely returned her son's look. Neither did her partner, Alice Jenkins. In minutes, the two would learn how long they would be imprisoned for abusing the teen, his four brothers and a sister.

``My entire life has been horrifying because of the abuse, neglect and mistreatment that both of you have inflicted,'' Darrell Rowles began.

``You are both hurtful people and need to be put away for a long time so that no other child has to go through what I went through,'' he said. ``I hate you both for everything you put me through.''

The ``long time'' the teen wanted was translated into 30 years in prison by Summit County Common Pleas Judge Patricia A. Cosgrove, who called the women ``perhaps the coldest, most unfeeling, least empathetic criminals I have ever seen.''

Before the teen walked into court Tuesday, Rowles and Jenkins sat at a table for about 40 minutes, smiling, chuckling and whispering to each other. The tears they shed at previous court hearings where absent.

``I hate you in the worst way, and it's not desirable to hate someone,'' Darrell told his mother and Jenkins when he stood to speak. ``I never want to see either of you ever again. If you happen to get out of prison soon, I don't want either of you to come near me.''

Time and a string of appeals will tell if the sentence or the women's pleas to a 55-count indictment hold up.

They pleaded guilty in October to kidnapping, felonious assault, child endangering, corrupting another with drugs, and marijuana possession.

In court, attorneys said the women will appeal last week's decision by Cosgrove denying their request to withdraw their guilty pleas and take their case to trial. An appeal on the length of the sentence is also likely.

For now, the women must serve the entire sentence without a chance of parole, prosecutors said.

They will probably be sent together to the Ohio Reformatory for Women in Marysville, where 1,737 of the state's female prison inmates live.

A prison spokeswoman said the couple would likely be housed in separate units inside the 250-acre compound northwest of Columbus.

During the sentencing hearing, prosecutors Gregory Peacock and Mary Ann Kovach told the judge about the life the children lived inside their Florida Avenue home, and about ``a household of chaos and deprivation.'

' Before a mass of cameras, they told how Jenkins targeted the five boys because of their gender, and one boy in particular because he is biracial.

They told the overflowing gallery filled with family, friends and curiosity-seekers about the windowless, 3-foot-by-5-foot closet where the boys were forced to sleep in their own urine-soaked blankets for days or weeks at a time.

They told how the boys were forced to swallow human and animal feces, lick toilet bowls as punishment for urinating on the toilet seat, and eat cat food when Jenkins became angry.

Prosecutors showed pictures of the frail, waiflike boys, their ribs and collarbones protruding throughtheir skin. They showed photos of the family's refrigerator and pantry, overflowing with food.

Rowles looked at the photos but showed no emotion. Jenkins didn't look, her eyes focused downward on a piece of paper.

Peacock described the night last April when Darrell and his two younger brothers, 8 and 10, broke out of their upstairs closet, and how the youngest, stuck on the roof, begged not to be left behind.

``They were not simply running away; they were escaping their home,'' Peacock said. All the children are in foster homes. A juvenile judge last year refused to give Rowles visitation. One father walked out of court and passed reporters in tears without commenting. It was unclear if the other children's fathers were there.

Darrell told the court that Christmas and birthday memories were of the abuse he and his brothers endured in 2002 and parts of 2003.

``For example, on Christmas you beat us, then gave us gifts, but the next day you grounded us and destroyed our gifts. I remember not even getting gifts on Christmas. That really hurt,'' he said.

``I hate my birthday. I have no memories of a birthday. All I can remember is Alice hitting me in the face with a shoe and saying, `This is for good will.' '

The bespectacled teen, dressed in a navy blue sweater and gold chains, laughed and shook hands with his brother when he was done speaking.

Cosgrove commended the courage of the boys for escaping their home and telling their story to authorities. She also asked the women if they had anything to say prior to sentencing.
Rowles, 31, replied defiantly: ``Not a thing.''
Jenkins, 28, said simply, ``No, your honor.''

Defense attorneys Don Malarcik and Kirk Migdal, who previously asked Cosgrove to appoint the women new attorneys to handle their appeal, said the women could not express any remorse and make any statements while their appeals were pending.

Last fall, Cosgrove rejected a plea offer prosecutors and defense attorneys reached. The judge reportedly felt the 15-year sentence the woman were prepared to accept was insufficient, and she wanted to retain discretion in sentencing.

In October, the women pleaded guilty to the entire indictment. In December, they tried to retract the pleas after an expert said four of the boys suffered from rumination, an eating disorder that caused them to regurgitate their food.

The expert refused to testify for the women, and after defense lawyers could not find another expert during Christmas week, Cosgrove denied the motion to withdraw the plea, saying the rumination defense was groundless and that the case had been delayed too long.

Migdal and Malarcik said their clients hope a successful appeal and trial will give them an arena to tell their side of the story.

``Alice has a lot to say. Today was not the forum. We hope the decision will be overturned, and she's going to have an opportunity to get her side of the story out, to get the facts out and have a jury decide this matter,'' Malarcik said.

Phil Trexler can be reached at 330-996-3717 or

58 posted on 02/22/2004 7:04:20 PM PST by GrandMoM (Get the most out of every day. Do your part, but do not try to do GOD"S part!!!)
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To: GrandMoM
American culture is already so rotten, it is hard to imagine how this could make it much worse.
59 posted on 02/22/2004 7:05:28 PM PST by findingtruth
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To: GrandMoM; H2dude
There's a real danger in believing everything you read. This is far from factual, it's one person's worst case scenario hypothesizing taken to the level of hyperbole.
60 posted on 02/22/2004 7:12:05 PM PST by tdadams
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