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Book reopens Kerry's war wounds ( New Book questions Kerry's Nam injuries, etc)
sunday times via theaustralian.news.com.au ^ | 02/23/04 | sunday times vis theaustralian.news.com.au

Posted on 02/22/2004 1:35:58 PM PST by KQQL

VIETNAM has been the defining issue for John Kerry. His status as a decorated war hero has helped to propel him to the front of the pack of Democrat candidates seeking to evict George W.Bush from the White House. Conservative critics believe he has been given a free ride for too long on his war record, however, and are planning a fightback.

Support for their case is expected to come from a book to be published next month by reporters from The Boston Globe in Kerry's home state of Massachusetts. The book, JF Kerry, the Complete Biography, will question the extent of his injuries in Vietnam and whether he was entitled to an early release from the war.

Vietnam, The Washington Post opined at the weekend, "is a double-edged issue" for the 60-year-old Democratic frontrunner. Kerry has not authorised the release of his war records - a strange omission, say his political foes, given the ferocity with which his supporters have demanded to see every last document of Bush's military service in the Texas Air National Guard.

"Vietnam is such a crucial part of his background and his campaign, you would think he would want people to see them," said Rich Lowry, editor of National Review, a conservative journal. "There is going to be pressure on him to release them."

Kerry, who is surrounded on the stump by the "band of brothers" who fought with him in the Mekong Delta, became a fierce public critic of the Vietnam War after he left the navy.

A faked photograph of Kerry sharing a microphone with Jane Fonda was a warning of how his opposition to the conflict would be used against him. There also has been much criticism of the way he threw away another man's medals rather than his own during a 1971 protest demonstration.

Kerry's conduct during the war, however, was until now thought to be sacrosanct. Unlike many of his generation, he volunteered for service in Vietnam. He went on to perform heroically as the skipper of a Swift boat patrolling Vietcong-infested waters, and won a Bronze Star and a Silver Star for bravery.

Kerry served only four months of a year-long tour of duty after he received three Purple Hearts for being wounded in action. The injuries were not serious; by his own account, one shrapnel wound laid him off for two days and the other two did not interrupt his duties.

Five of his friends died in action and his medals show that, at the very least, he had several brushes with death. The future senator then invoked what he insists was a "three and you're out" rule enabling a soldier with three Purple Hearts to be sent home.

He requested a transfer and was given a plum job as an admiral's aide in Brooklyn. He returned to the US a bitter opponent of the war and was released from the army early.

In response to an inquiry from The Sunday Times, Kerry's campaign staff gave the newspaper a copy of naval regulations stating that "all naval personnel" who are "wounded three times, regardless of the nature of the wound or the treatment required for each wound" may be reassigned.

A spokesman for the US Navy said, however, that such redeployment was not automatic: "It would depend a lot on the nature of the injuries."

Ted Sampley, who runs Vietnam Vets Against John Kerry, said if a soldier could be sent home for minor wounds, "there would have been a lot of people claiming scratches, getting their Purple Hearts and getting out of there".

Sampley believes that the well-connected Kerry - photographed with president John F.Kennedy as a young man - simply received favourable treatment. "How many other people were able to get out of Vietnam early and be reassigned to a cushy post?" he said.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: 2004; biography; bookreview; hanoijohnny; kerry; kerryrecord; miliaryrecord; militaryrecord; openkerrysrecordsnow; purpleheart; tedsampley; vvajk
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To: Destro
In his first tour of duty he had a cushy job in a war zone aboard the U.S.S. Gridley which he cut short to volunteer for an even more dangerous assignment on a river combat boat.

More BS.

From:

http://navysite.de/cg/cg21.htm

GRIDLEY operated along the California coast until sailing for the Orient 18 November.She left Subic Bay 2 January 1967 for plane guard duty in the China Sea and the Gulf of Tonkin. After varied duties in the fighting zone, she sailed for Australia en route to the West Coast and arrived Long Beach 8 June to prepare for future action.

By my calculation, his first tour was five months and six days from Subic Bay to Long Beach. He did not "cut it short to volunteer for an even more dangerous assignment on a river combat boat." He went home with his boat.

As for "more dangerous assignment on a river combat boat", if you read the 7 part Boston Globe piece, you will find that when he volunteered for Swift Boat duty, those boats were used on the coast and the "river duty" didn't start until two weeks after he reported for duty.

Perhaps you should get your facts straight.

241 posted on 02/22/2004 4:23:56 PM PST by jackbill
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To: Milligan
LTJG. Best I can tell. (You mean after he left his admiral's aid post, right?)

He won't release his records.
242 posted on 02/22/2004 4:24:27 PM PST by Robert A Cook PE (I can only support FR by donating monthly, but ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: jackbill
Yes - His tour was on the Gridley. As soon as they (the Gridley) got home and faced some nasty shipyard and refit time in Long Beach after their deployment, Kerry LEFT THE SHIP to go to easy training duty up in the Napa Valley.

He himself he left to get Swift boat duty because they WEREN'T in direct combat.

Like JFK, he wanted an independent command on his resume. Swift boat duty wasn't in river warfare until AFTER he got back to Nam. They were offshore doing Market Time interdiction, and had seen very, very little action for about two years.
243 posted on 02/22/2004 4:28:26 PM PST by Robert A Cook PE (I can only support FR by donating monthly, but ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
Sure does tell a story about this man's moral center does it not?.

It says that Kerry's moral center is J.F'n Kerry.

244 posted on 02/22/2004 4:31:16 PM PST by Cold Heat (Not a clue?)
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To: Keith in Iowa
"Did I understand this article to mean the book was written by REPORTERS?"

Don't ever trust reporters to write history.

245 posted on 02/22/2004 4:31:29 PM PST by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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To: Milligan
My husband is doing fine, he was supposed to be home in April, but got extended for the 4th time, now it's May. Mike is worried about the UN taking control of Iraq if Kerry gets elected..he would have wasted a year and a half in Iraq...There are a few young troopers in Mike's unit that are for Kerry(hard to believe)...he's trying to enlighten them...they have no idea of who he is or who Jane Fonda is...it does not matter to them, that's history, according to them...sigh!
246 posted on 02/22/2004 4:32:36 PM PST by mystery-ak (*terrorism has been exaggerated*....Kerry....We must defeat him, our lives depend on it.)
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To: KQQL

247 posted on 02/22/2004 4:33:12 PM PST by BunnySlippers (Help Bring Colly-fornia Back ...)
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To: Destro
Bush won't do this but you cannot control the people who will,,people feel strongly about what he did post viet nam and will talk about it. I don't know how old you are, but you had to be there to know how strong the feelings are. You cannot cork that up for some nice political strategy. It is way beyond that.
248 posted on 02/22/2004 4:33:47 PM PST by cajungirl (John Kerry has no botox and I have a bridge to sell you!)
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To: Hon
My brother did 2 tour of duty in Vietnam and Kerry was State side protesting while he was still fighting. Kerry is not a War Hero to me or my family.
249 posted on 02/22/2004 4:33:50 PM PST by ducks1944
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To: stop_fascism
Let me try this again

Here's another opinion:

Letters that have crossed our desk for our military heroes who are renaissance men I've long thought that John Kerry's war record was phoney. We talked about it when you were here. It's mainly been instinct because, as you know, nobody who claims to have seen the action he does would so shamelessly flaunt it for political gain. So I spent a couple of hours on the internet yesterday, made a bunch of notes, and I'm sending them as an attachment. In addition, look at the website http://25thaviation.org/johnkerry/id15htm. Somebody went to a lot of trouble to chronicle Kerry's checkered career.

I was in the Delta shortly after he left. I know that area well. I know the operations he was involved in well. I know the tactics and the doctrine used. I know the equipment. Although I was attached to CTF-116 (PBRs) I spent a fair amount of time with CTF-115 (swift boats), Kerry's command.

Here are my problems and suspicions:

(1) Kerry was in-country less than four months and collected, a Bronze Star, a Silver Star and three purple hearts. I never heard of anybody with any outfit I worked with (including SEAL One, the Sea Wolves, Riverines and the River Patrol Force) collecting that much hardware so fast, and for such pedestrian actions. The Swifts did a commendable job. But that duty wasn't the worst you could draw. They operated only along the coast and in the major rivers (Bassac and Mekong). The rough stuff in the hot areas was mainly handled by the smaller, faster PBRs.

(2) Three Purple Hearts but no limp. All injuries so minor that no time lost from duty. Amazing luck. Or he was putting himself in for medals every time he bumped his head on the wheel house hatch? Combat on the boats was almost always at close range. You didn't have minor wounds. At least not often. Not three times in a row. Then he used the three purple hearts to request a trip home eight months before the end of his tour. Fishy.

(3) The details of the event for which he was given the Silver Star make no sense at all. Supposedly, a B-40 was fired at the boat and missed. Charlie jumps up with the launcher in his hand, the bow gunner knocks him down with the twin .50, Kerry beaches the boat, jumps off, shoots Charlie, and retreives the launcher. If true, he did everything wrong.

(a) Standard procedure when you took rocket fire was to put your stern to the action and go balls to the wall. A B-40 has the ballistic integrity of a frisbie after about 25 yards, so you put 50 yards or so between you and the beach and begin raking it with your .50's.

(b) Did you ever see anybody get knocked down with a .50 caliber round and get up? The guy was dead or dying. The rocket launcher was empty. There was no reason to go after him (except if you knew he was no danger to you just flopping around in the dust during his last few seconds on earth, and you wanted some derring do in your after-action report). And we didn't shoot wounded people. We had rules against that, too.

(c) Kerry got off the boat. This was a major breach of standing procedures. Nobody on a boat crew ever got off a boat in a hot area. EVER! The reason was simple. If you had somebody on the beach your boat was defenseless. It coudn't run and it couldn' t return fire. It was stupid and it put his crew in danger. He should have been relieved and reprimanded. I never heard of any boat crewman ever leaving a boat during or after a firefight. Something is fishy.

Here we have a JFK wannabe (the guy Halsey wanted to court martial for carelessly losing his boat and getting a couple people killed by running across the bow of a Jap destroyer) who is hardly in Vietnam long enough to get good tan, collects medals faster than Audie Murphy in a job where lots of medals weren't common, gets sent home eight months early, requests separation from active duty a few months after that so he can run for Congress, finds out war heros don't sell well in Massachsetts in 1970 so reinvents himself as Jane Fonda, throws his ribbons in the dirt with the cameras running to jump start his political career, gets Stillborn Pell to invite him to address Congress and Bobby Kennedy's speechwriter to do the heavy lifting, winds up in the Senate himself a few years later, votes against every major defense bill, says the CIA is irrelevant after the Wall came down, votes against the Gulf War, a big mistake since that turned out well, decides not to make the same mistake twice so votes for invading Iraq, but oops, that didn't turn out so well so he now says he really didn't mean for Bush to go to war when he voted to allow him to go to war.

I'm real glad you or I never had this guy covering out flanks in Vietnam. I sure don't want him as Commander in Chief. I hope that somebody from CTF-115 shows up with some facts challenging Kerry's Vietnam record. I know in my gut it's wildy inflated. And fishy.

Keep smiling,

Mike

((Michael Benge is a Foreign Service officer and a former Vietnam POW (1968 to 1973) ))

250 posted on 02/22/2004 4:34:05 PM PST by stop_fascism
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To: Destro
What bothered my about this article saying Kerry "only served" four months on a tour is that he had a cushy job on the big ship and opted to volunteer for his second tour of duty on a swift boat. In other words he took himself off the easy duty and into the harder combat seeing duty. That has to count for something. I don't support Kerry but this attack on his record is small minded and stupid.

That essentially is what I did, except I spent just two weeks shy of a year over there, and usually didn't go charging up rivers with our 83 ft. patrol boat. I agree that questioning his record up until the time he left the country is not going to win us any points. It's what he did AFTER he returned him is what's despicable in my opinion, starting with his anti-war antics and continuing through his time in the senate. His votes against our military programs truly show where his sympathies lie.

251 posted on 02/22/2004 4:34:09 PM PST by CedarDave (Waiting too long to bail the boat greatly increases the chance of sinking [Bush campaign silence])
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To: Hon
My brother did 2 tour of duty in Vietnam and Kerry was State side protesting while he was still fighting. Kerry is not a War Hero to me or my family.
252 posted on 02/22/2004 4:34:21 PM PST by ducks1944
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To: KQQL
"(South NAM fell to commies...didn't it?)"

Of course it did - two years after we left. Please study the history rather than parrot the liberal lies.

253 posted on 02/22/2004 4:37:09 PM PST by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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To: mystery-ak
Send your husband the two page "Kerry for Senate" document at:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1082762/posts

Have him ask those Kerry supporters which of those weapons systems that would have wanted to do without in Iraqi Freedom.
254 posted on 02/22/2004 4:40:55 PM PST by jackbill
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To: Destro
from what I read, Kerry saw the back of the man he killed as he was fleeing having been wounded. he went into a hooch and "finished him off",,for all we know the poor guy was lying there bleeding out. That does not count as an heroic act in my mind. And I have also read that for him to beach his boat and run after a wounded man was a clear violation of rules,,he put his boat and men at risk to be a hero.
255 posted on 02/22/2004 4:44:48 PM PST by cajungirl (John Kerry has no botox and I have a bridge to sell you!)
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To: Destro
Kerry confessed to war crimes,,we aren't accusing him of anything he hasn't confessed dude.
256 posted on 02/22/2004 4:46:44 PM PST by cajungirl (John Kerry has no botox and I have a bridge to sell you!)
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To: jackbill; mike1sg
I'll ping him to your link...he comes here often for news....he prints stories out and hangs them in his office...that's how the Kerry conversation started with several of his troopers.

see jackbill's Kerry link
257 posted on 02/22/2004 4:46:50 PM PST by mystery-ak (*terrorism has been exaggerated*....Kerry....We must defeat him, our lives depend on it.)
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To: ducks1944
Kerry is not a War Hero to me or my family.

Well said.........

258 posted on 02/22/2004 4:47:03 PM PST by Cold Heat (Outside of the killings, Washington has one of the lowest crime rates in the country. --Mayor Marion)
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To: KQQL
I got your Kerry's Band of Brothers right here....
259 posted on 02/22/2004 4:48:48 PM PST by Solamente
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To: KQQL
When J. Effing Kerry was younger, he resembled Lurch not so much as he did Gomer Pyle. I think his war hero status is phoney. Lord knows everything else about him is.
260 posted on 02/22/2004 4:59:52 PM PST by johnb838 (Phoney Medals, Real-life Traitor, J. Effing Kerry, Esq.)
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