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Electoral College Breakdown, Installment Seven
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Posted on 02/22/2004 12:39:46 PM PST by Dales

Edited on 02/22/2004 1:26:47 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

Due to popular demand, I am going to revive my poll tracking and analysis that I did during the 2000 election season. I will be starting things a bit differently this year. Instead of starting off with a comprehensive overview of the entire nation, I am going to start by looking at five states at a time. For this seventh installment, the random state generator presented me with Hawaii, Oregon, Washington, Nebraska, and West Virginia.


Hawaii
Electoral Votes: 4
2000 Result
Gore 55%
Bush 37%

Background: Since McKinley annexed Hawaii and it became a state, only twice has it gone Republican: Nixon's re-election against McGovern and Reagan's re-election against Mondale. It has rarely been close.

Polling Data: No polls available.

Punditry: Hawaii is Safe for the Democrats.


Oregon
Electoral Votes: 7
2000 Result
Gore 46.96%
Bush 46.52%

Background: The last 10 elections have gone 1-5-4. Without Perot, Clinton would likely have lost his initial run here though. From 1968 on, the only Democrat to break 50% here was Michael Dukakis; Reagan and Nixon each broke 50% in their re-elect.

Polling Data: Surprisingly, there have not been any polls that I have found in this traditional battleground state.

Punditry: People tend to overlook Oregon as a battleground state due to the fact that Gore carried it despite Nader taking 5% of the vote. That overlooks that Nader took 4% in the previous election and it is not at all clear that his votes are available to the Democrats, and even if Gore had gotten all of Nader's 2000 votes it still would have been a fairly close race; certainly close enough to consider it a battleground. With no polls, it would be very tempting to just call this a complete toss up, and sometimes I give in to temptation. Toss-up.


Washington
Electoral Votes: 11
2000 Result
Gore 50%
Bush 45%

Background: The Democrats have won the last four, and 6 of the last 10, with all four Republican wins coming consecutively (Nixon, Ford, ReaganX2). It is unclear as to if Clinton would have won the first time here sans Perot; it would likely have been extremely close. The Dukakis/Bush race was very close. The Clinton/Dole race was not.

Polling Data:

Date Polling Company Link Type MOE Republican Democrat
2/4/04 SurveyUSA Link 975 RV 3.2% Bush 43% Kerry 55%

Punditry: Washington is further to the left than Oregon by about 5% points. Right now Washington looks to be on the cusp between leaning and being strong for the Democrats. Until I see some mitigating evidence, I will assume the worst case. Strong Advantage for the Democrats.


Nebraska
Electoral Votes: 5
2000 Result
Bush 62%
Gore 33%

Background: FDR lost here twice. Since then, LBJ won, and otherwise the Democrats have had nothing but futility.

Polling Data: None available.

Punditry: There is not much to say. Safe for Bush.


West Virginia
Electoral Votes: 5
2000 Result
Bush 52%
Gore 46%

Background: It was a huge change from the past when Bush beat Gore here in 2000. Over the last eighteen elections, the Democrats have won 14, and both of Clinton's wins would almost certainly have come even without Ross Perot. This is not a state the Democrats should have lost.

Polling Data:

No polls available yet.

Punditry: On the one hand, I have the fact that Bush won by 5 points last time, and the fact that West Virginia is a very patriotic state. On the other hand, I have the traditional Democrat bias of the state. In the absence of polls, I do not have a good feel for what weight to assign to either, and as such I am calling this a Toss-up.


Summary Table
  Bush Democrat
  Safe Strong Lean Slight Tossup Slight Lean Strong Safe
  ND (3) CO (9) GA (15) NV (5) OR (7) NM (5) CA (55) NY (31) VT (3)
  AL (9) SC (8) NC (15) FL (27) WV (5) ME (4) - DE (3) MA (12)
  MT (3) KY (8) MO (11) - - MI (17) - MD (10) DC (3)
  WY (3) KS (6) VA (13) - - PA (21) - WA (11) RI (4)
  UT (5) MS (6) OH (20) - - - - - HI (4)
  ID (4) - - - - - - - -
  AK (3) - - - - - - - -
  NE (5) - - - - - - - -
Designation
Total:
35 37 74 32 12 47 55 52 26
Candidate
Total:
151 91 136
Undesignated electoral votes: 160


Next installment: Indiana, Arizona, South Dakota, New Jersey, and Connecticut.

Historical election data are located at Dave Leip's invaluable website.

Installment One
Installment Two
Installment Three
Installment Four
Installment Five
Installment Six


TOPICS: Extended News; Politics/Elections; US: Hawaii; US: North Dakota; US: Oregon; US: Washington; US: West Virginia
KEYWORDS: dales; ecb; electionpresident; electoralcollege; gwb2004; poll
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1 posted on 02/22/2004 12:39:46 PM PST by Dales
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To: Neets; nevergiveup; scan58; AuH2ORepublican; BoomerBob; Galatians513; onyx; KJacob; ...
Let me try this again. I had some screwups in the last post so I had it pulled.
2 posted on 02/22/2004 12:40:49 PM PST by Dales
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To: Dales; Miss Marple
I don't enjoy saying this, but West Virginia voted for George W. Bush mainly because of Federal Distrcit Judge Charles Haden. He ruled that mountaintop mining, vital to the economy, violates federal environmental laws. This put the whole local mining industry at risk, and the local economy as well. Haden is a Clinton appointee, if I'm not mistaken, and the Clinton administration supported him. For Gore, it was more than a shot in the foot, it was a shot in the heart. Gore made things worse for himself here by his support for gun control, abortion, and gay marriage, but they didn't tip the scales by themselves. Haden's ruling has been overturned by a higher court and the issue is yesterday's news. Now job losses to outsoursing is the big issue, and Senator Robert Byrd (a local icon) despises Bush. It's hard for me to imagine Bush winning here in 2004.
3 posted on 02/22/2004 12:48:40 PM PST by Clintonfatigued
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To: Clintonfatigued
As the counter to that, drive through from 79 to 19 and stop in restaurants, stores, and other local businesses. You will find photos of the troops on the walls, treated like local celebrities. Most of the time you will see a picture of the President as well. You won't find more patriotic people in the nation than you will find in West Virginia.
4 posted on 02/22/2004 12:56:34 PM PST by Dales
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To: Dales

This one is perfect and you're now an expert "pinger" as well.
5 posted on 02/22/2004 12:59:38 PM PST by onyx (Your secrets are safe with me and all my friends.)
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To: Dales
Hawaii and ND are the easy ones.

Oregon is just a tough state to call. I have to give the dems a slight edge, but it's winnable. Gore only won 8 counties, and only in Multnomah county(Portland) did he get 53% or highter(64%). Gore only broke 50% in 4 other counties.(Lincoln, Lane, Benton, Clatsop), and the others he won with 48 or 49% were Columbia, Hood River, and Washington. Bush won two counties with 48 or 49%. Tillamook and Clackamas. He won the rest with over 50%.

Washington State is like Oregon but tougher and that's because of King County and Seattle. There were over 700,000 votes in King County, only 85,000 less than Wayne County here in Michigan. Gore got 60% in King. Gore won only 10 other counties there, and none of them with more than 53%(San Juan). The two biggest ones are Snohomish and Pierce Counties. In order for the big upset, Bush needs to do very well in the rural areas in the east and hold his own in Snohomish and Pierce.

West VA I have to give a slight edge to the dems based on jobs and past history, but that could change.

6 posted on 02/22/2004 1:01:47 PM PST by Dan from Michigan ("You know it don't come easy, the road of the gypsy" - Iron Eagle)
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To: Clintonfatigued
Bush can not afford to lose one state....I'm very worried about the election. Unless Bush's campaign can make people think and not believe all Kerry's crap he has poured out and most of it LIES, then we'll be in big trouble. And every terrorist in the world is hoping Kerry wins...
7 posted on 02/22/2004 1:01:57 PM PST by Jewels1091
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To: Dales
Hawaii was close in 1976...

In addition to being Democratic, Hawaii also has a habit of voting for incumbents...
8 posted on 02/22/2004 1:03:05 PM PST by ambrose ("John Kerry has blood of American soldiers on his hands" - Lt. Col. Oliver North)
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To: Dales
Very nice segments on your part.

My intitial anaylysis is to take all the electoral votes Bob Dole won in 1996 and automatically place it into Bush's count for '04.

159 -- 269 needed to win.

After rapportionment, 6 additional electoral votes went to states that will automatically go for Bush (2 for Georgia; 2 for Texas 1 for North Carolina, and 1 for Colorado.

Subract 3 electoral votes taken from heavy Republican states as Mississippi, Indiana, and Oklahoma.

162 now for Bush.

Add 8 for Kentucky, which has trended heavily to the Republicans and Bush has 170 as a base.

With the recent poll showing Bush leading Kerry by 8% among registered voters, add an additioanl 10 electraol votes to Bush and he has 180 as a electoral base -- 89 are needed to win.

I need to see polls from Lousiana and Tennessee to determine if they are safely in Bush's corner.

9 posted on 02/22/2004 1:06:58 PM PST by LdSentinal
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To: LdSentinal
With the recent poll showing Bush leading Kerry by 8% among registered voters, add an additioanl 10 electoral votes to Bush and he has 180 as a electoral base -- 89 are needed to win.

That poll was of Arizona which I was speaking about.

10 posted on 02/22/2004 1:09:31 PM PST by LdSentinal
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To: Jewels1091
"Bush can not afford to lose one state"

actually he can afford to lose WV or NH. If the 2000 election were re-run today Bush would win 278 EVs, not 271
11 posted on 02/22/2004 1:10:57 PM PST by raloxk
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To: Dales
Just want you to know, I appreciate your efforts. Very professional in all counts.
12 posted on 02/22/2004 1:11:16 PM PST by Joee
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To: Dales
When are you going to make a surprise call? So far, you are playing to safe with the conventional wisdom, and of course assuming a tight election. It might be better to post plus or minus percentages from the national percentage totals. In that regard, I predict Ohio will be in the minus column for Bush, and Minnesota in the plus column. That's my out-of-the-box prediction for the day. New Mexico will be in the plus column for Bush too. New Hampshire will be minus.
13 posted on 02/22/2004 1:11:25 PM PST by Torie
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To: ambrose
Quiz time. What other part of the country (not a whole state actually), is known for its pro incumbent bias?
14 posted on 02/22/2004 1:12:38 PM PST by Torie
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To: Dales
I'm confused. North Dakota was in Installment One. In the Installment Seven version that got pulled, Montana was where North Dakota is now.

You are making my brain hurt.. ;)

Still excellent work. Keep 'em coming!

15 posted on 02/22/2004 1:13:37 PM PST by AntiGuv (When the countdown hits zero, something's gonna happen..)
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To: AntiGuv
Gosh darn it! I'll fix. Give me a few.
16 posted on 02/22/2004 1:16:07 PM PST by Dales
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To: Dales
If you want to take a look, here are the latest registration numbers for about 30 states.

Link

17 posted on 02/22/2004 1:16:09 PM PST by LdSentinal
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To: Torie
When are you going to make a surprise call?
Don't confuse my measure of how things stand with where I think things will go. Right now, all I am doing is basically establishing a snapshot of things, without minimal prognostication being involved. There is plenty of time for guesswork later.
18 posted on 02/22/2004 1:35:08 PM PST by Dales
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To: Torie
If you're thinking of anywhere except the Deep South, you've lost about 110 points of IQ since last we exchanged posts.
19 posted on 02/22/2004 1:36:24 PM PST by jack gillis
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To: Dales
Don't worry about it.

Had ZERO impact on the charts anyway!!

If either of those states are anything except "Safe GOP" with three weeks to go, Bush is toast ... although MT on occasion displays a left-populist streak
20 posted on 02/22/2004 1:39:00 PM PST by jack gillis
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