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Congressman: Bush illegals plan dead for '04
WND ^ | 2-21-04 | N/A

Posted on 02/20/2004 10:33:52 PM PST by JustPiper

Says rift among Republicans could be mended if proposal scrapped

President Bush's plan to overhaul immigration policy with a temporary worker program has little chance of passing this year, a congressman said.

U.S. Rep. Lamar Smith, R-Texas, told the San Antonio Express-News the reform proposal has created a worrisome rift among Republicans that could be fixed if the plan is substantially changed or scrapped.

As WorldNetDaily reported, on Jan. 7, Bush proposed allowing illegal aliens working in the United States to remain in the country for three years if their employers vouch for their jobs. During that period, the worker essentially would be given the rights of a worker with permanent-resident status, including Social Security benefits and the right to bring family members to the United States. In addition, a "temporary worker program" would permit foreigners to come to the U.S. if they can prove they have secured a job.

A House Immigration Subcommittee member, and former chairman, Smith views the guest-worker plan as a veiled call for amnesty despite the president's insistence to the contrary. He also expressed the concern of many Republicans that it will allow terrorists to come into the country on a worker visa, the San Antonio paper said.

In January, Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., said on Joseph Farah's WorldNetDaily RadioActive program he did not think Congress would pass the Bush plan, but feared a bill more to his disliking would be proposed.

Democrats want to make it even easier for illegals to stay in the United States, and many Republicans would support them, he said.

Smith believes any plan that encourages illegal immigration will further depress wages, and he fears a voter backlash against Republican candidates.

"Some Republicans support the president on this issue, but they're in the minority," he told the Express-News. "The president is going to have to convince the rest of us or risk having a lot of Republicans opposed to him."

Smith said Republicans need to communicate to Americans they are not against immigrants, as long as they enter the country legally.

Many GOP members find the plan far too extensive with its inclusion of workers in any industry, not just agriculture. Also many object to employees with illegal workers already on the payroll not having to offer jobs to U.S. citizens first.

The congressman said, however, he would be open to testing the idea with a geographically limited guest worker program, the San Antonio paper reported.

Meanwhile, U.S. Border Patrol officials have confirmed the worst fears of opponents, reporting a 15 percent increase in the use of fraudulent documents at the world's busiest land border crossing since the proposal was announced.


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; amnestydead; bushamnesty; gop; guestworker; illegals; immigration; immigrationplan; republicans
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To: Bonaparte
That's funny! I had over $18,000.00 worth of trees planted last spring by a local landscaper. When I met him he had three helpers....all english speaking and clean cut. He shows up the day to start digging with like 8 or 10 people who looked like they've been sleeping in cardboard boxes for a week ot two. None of them spoke a word of English. Since one of my best friends was driven out of business the previous year because he steadfastly refused toi hire illegals, this kinda hit home. Well, landscaping guy had two trailers loaded with trees......so I asked him "Hey....am I paying American prices"? He looked at me funny and said "yes". I told him he had three hours to go find some Americans to dig holes in my lawn, otherwise this contract (which I had in my hand) was going to be turned into confetti....and any money he WOULD have gotten from me would be sucked up by lawyers fees! I told him the only other option he had was to reduce the price of the labor charges by 2/3rds.....needless to say, he wasn't too happy with me.
He was back in less than an hour with an American crew.

To those of you peeps who think I'm racist, screw you. It's still somewhat of a free country...an if I feel like standing up for fellow Americans, I'll do it every darned time!
21 posted on 02/21/2004 4:27:44 AM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: goldstategop
These are great news!
22 posted on 02/21/2004 4:50:04 AM PST by BigDoom
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To: JustPiper
Very good post, JP. Despite what others think, it's still the squeaky wheel that gets the grease. We need to keep squeaking.
23 posted on 02/21/2004 6:44:07 AM PST by truthkeeper
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To: JustPiper
Congressman: Bush illegals plan dead for '04

Of course, wait till after the election. The GOP base will have 2 years to cool off before the next election.

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>Democrats want to make it even easier for illegals to stay in the United States, and many Republicans would support them

Sounds like a majority here.

24 posted on 02/21/2004 6:52:11 AM PST by u-89
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To: JustPiper
STOP Illegal Immigration FIRST (by any means necessary)...........THEN we'll consider what to do with those that are already here.
25 posted on 02/21/2004 6:52:54 AM PST by DoctorMichael (Thats my story, and I'm sticking to it.)
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To: JustPiper
Many folks also expected CFR would be DOA. And the Prescription Drug Bill.

I'll believe it when I see it.

26 posted on 02/21/2004 6:58:05 AM PST by NittanyLion
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To: NittanyLion
right on!...im sick and tired of us caving in!.."dear mr prez...no more !"
27 posted on 02/21/2004 7:01:48 AM PST by rrrod
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To: The American Man
"Now WHEN are they going to deport illegals and seal the $%^ borders"

Short answer: never. They will simply find more creative ways to contort words and torture logic to make their appeal for amnesty more pallatable to more gullible Americans.

28 posted on 02/21/2004 7:36:27 AM PST by sweetliberty (To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it.")
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To: taxed2death
To those of you peeps who think I'm racist, screw you. It's still somewhat of a free country...an if I feel like standing up for fellow Americans, I'll do it every darned time!

Good for you. I applaud what you did!

(You raise a very good point, too. We're not saving money because of illegals. Employers might be saving money by hiring them, but they're not passing on those savings to us. I'm convinced of it.)

29 posted on 02/21/2004 7:54:39 AM PST by Nea Wood (I want my country back.)
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To: JustPiper
Exactly as I suspected.

Now, will we hear about a change in job title for Karl Rove? I don't think there will be much hope of mending relationships within the Republican party until there is some explanation or understanding about why this platform was brought up in the first place.

Just a a thought.

This is a good start.. and IMO they still have time to fix this mess, but the clock is ticking.

30 posted on 02/21/2004 8:04:35 AM PST by Diva Betsy Ross (Every heart beats true for the red ,white and blue!)
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To: goldstategop
They can kill it this year, but watch out for 2005. That is when the plan must be implemented for creation of the FTAA.

In my experience they will go underground with it for a while, but there are 3 huge and influencial organizations that are going to push the migrant amnesty plan, the social security plan for illegal aliens and the erasure of our border. Those organizations are the OAS, the Summit of the Americas and David Rockefellers group, the Council of the Americas.

The Council of the Americas has a profound influence on our politicians and the policies they implement. They are a dangerous and anti-American lobbying group and are very very powerful in Washington.
31 posted on 02/21/2004 8:11:48 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: ARepublicanForAllReasons
(if their employers vouch for their jobs.)

In other words, Mr. President, you want to give employers the power to grant de facto citizenship???

Wonder how many employers "ready to vouch for these illegals", can also produce 3 yrs. proof of all federal & SS taxes having been paid ???

33 posted on 02/21/2004 8:17:52 AM PST by txdoda ("Navy-brat")
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To: JustPiper
overhaul immigration policy with a temporary worker program has little chance of passing this year

This is what I have been saying for weeks.

This requires much complicated and long debate and legal wrangling.

The current code must be dissected and redone.

Surely not this year.

And what about the 14th amendment?

Those three words that create problematic anchor babies.

Codes can be written to modify the effect. It can be done!

but it will indeed take time and efforts of many.

34 posted on 02/21/2004 8:19:39 AM PST by Cold Heat ("It is easier for an ass to succeed in that trade than any other." [Samuel Clemens, on lawyers])
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To: All
It's been DOA since it was proposed.
35 posted on 02/21/2004 8:21:09 AM PST by COEXERJ145
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To: txdoda
Wonder how many employers "ready to vouch for these illegals", can also produce 3 yrs. proof of all federal & SS taxes having been paid ???

A centerpiece of the proposal.

"Defacto citizenship" is pretty shabby rhetorical prose.

That is not what was meant by the reform proposal. Not at all.

36 posted on 02/21/2004 8:22:40 AM PST by Cold Heat ("It is easier for an ass to succeed in that trade than any other." [Samuel Clemens, on lawyers])
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To: taxed2death
Yep you failed Liberal 101 and you are deemed a racist for life.
37 posted on 02/21/2004 8:22:57 AM PST by junta
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To: taxed2death
Thank you for standing up for Americans.
38 posted on 02/21/2004 8:29:29 AM PST by Mini-14
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To: JustPiper
illegals were under the impression we were giving blanket amnesty.

Gee, I wonder why that is?

Heck, everyone is calling it amnesty except for Bush.

What do you expect when ignorant people read the crap or hear it from someone else equally ignorant of the facts.

No body expected that the rhetoric would emerge this way. Bush did not intend it to be so.

The use of the term is what is causing the increase in crossings.

The use of a faulty descriptive rhetorical term.

39 posted on 02/21/2004 8:30:42 AM PST by Cold Heat ("It is easier for an ass to succeed in that trade than any other." [Samuel Clemens, on lawyers])
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To: DumpsterDiver
pinging myself
40 posted on 02/21/2004 8:40:30 AM PST by DumpsterDiver
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