Kerry's Group The VVAW Discussed Assassinating Seven Pro-War Senators In December 1971

Winter Soldiers - An Oral History Of The Vietnam Veterans Against The War | 1997 | Richard Stacewicz

[Williams]

What you see here is how illogical the left wing was and is. How extreme it is. Vietnam started it all. They became so sure the war was "wrong" it was a short leap to killing any pro war or pro defense senators. Mainstream America does not understand how much these people hate America, or to what degree they would gladly disarm the USA and put their trust in the World's worst dictatorships. John Kerry continues to spout their misguided nonsense.

[Hon]

Actually, some Googling refreshed my memory. Yes, the Weather Underground bombed the US Captitol back then.

BTW, the VVAW worked very closely with the Weather Underground, the Black Panthers and other like groups at that time.

[U S Army EOD]

It happened shortly after the 1971 march in DC, the bomb was place in a bathroom near the Senate chamber if I remember right. I had to send a guy down to testify about it before the Senate and it was supposed to be closed door. The press was there and it hit the front page. His family was getting death threats two days after that.

During the 1971 march I spent three nights looking for bombs over the Patomic and Annacosta Rivers because we had information that our little peace loving friends had 600 lbs of explosives in town and were planning to hit one of the bridges. We found a hoax bomb on Key Bridge.

This is the main reason the DC Police reacted so fast when the march got started to shut them down.

[Hon]

"Mainstream America does not understand how much these people hate America, or to what degree they would gladly disarm the USA and put their trust in the World's worst dictatorships."

This book, "Winter Soldiers", (which is meant to be very complimentary to the VVAW) has plenty of sections such as "Working For The Revolution."

You're right in how people just don't understand how deeply felt and thorough these many of these people's hatred of this country went. Al Hubbard, for instance, could never spell America without a K or two--AmeriKKa.

They didn't just stop with the war. They hated everything. They thought the US was a racist, unjust, failed society that deserved to lose the war in Vietnam which would lead to a revolution at home. This was their goal. They weren't shy about stating it.

[Bean Counter]

"Madame Hamhocks"!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Almost spewed coffee on the keyboard!!!

[tet68]

VVAW member, Kerry....He's an equivocator. He's a liberal. He's a politician. He was liberal, he was rich, he was from Massachusetts, he talked like a Kennedy, he had people cleaning his house that could have been our parents.

[Hon]

"It happened shortly after the 1971 march in DC, the bomb was place in a bathroom near the Senate chamber if I remember right."

In this book one of the leaders of the VVAW says that they were in constant touch with the Weathermen (as the Weatherunderground were still known as then). He says that they were told every day what they were up to. And likewise, they told the Weathermen what they were up to.

So at the very least the VVAW were probably aware that this was going to happen. Nice bunch.

[U S Army EOD]

I could relate many, many stories of that bunch. Before I joined FReepers I was fighting a one man war against Vietnam Veterans Against the War and Anti-Imperalist. I use to piss them off all the time. They still exist.

All FReepers, if you want to have some fun, send an email to their guy in Germany. His name is Darnell Summers and he always signs his name SP4 Darnell Summers. He is the black guy you see making all the speeches over there. He told me about his four years in the army and that he spent most of it in the stockade. What he really hates is when I have people email him that Elvis made E5 in only two years.

[secretagent]

Thanks for posting this.

Terry DuBose (TJB): What they were trying to do was keep the credibility before the media, because the media was saying we weren't veterans. John Kerry felt like he had to tell the regional coordinators that Al Hubbard had not served in Vietnam and that he had not been an officer.

So the media knew that some of the atrocity "witnesses" couldn't have seen what they claimed, and Kerry knew that Hubbard had not served.

Now I wonder when and how Kerry knew about Hubbard, his "Meet the Press" comrade.

[Hon]

"So the media knew that some of the atrocity "witnesses" couldn't have seen what they claimed, and Kerry knew that Hubbard had not served.

Now I wonder when and how Kerry knew about Hubbard, his "Meet the Press" comrade."

I don't know if you've seen this thread:

John Kerry Gained Fame On The Shoulders Of Frauds (Bogus Vietnam Veterans)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1074451/posts

BTW, I think the White House knew at the time. It seems that everybody knew. Kerry must have. But what could he do, he was given his position by Hubbard:

Kerry's Mentor: Black Panther And Phony Vietnam Vet, Al Hubbard
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1080094/posts

[GailA]

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[secretagent]

Thanks!

[JasonC]

The phony soldiers who were real communists thought he was a real soldier but a phony communist...

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[PhilDragoo]

Kerry ran for election to the U.S. House in 1972 during which he found it necessary to suppress reproduction of the cover picture appearing on his own book, The New Soldier. His political opponent pointed out that it depicted several unkempt youths crudely handling an upside down American flag to mock the famous photo of the U.S. Marines at Iwo Jima.

Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry

[Wolverine]

Protest: Story of The Gainesville Eight

Briggs was a partner in a waterbed store at that time (1972) and Scott Camil had asked him to order slingshots for the the VVAW. They were to be used as a defense during planned demonstrations at the summer Republican Convention in Miami. Once this was discovered by the FBI, the VVAW was charged as a subversive organization and a threat to the U.S. government. Many came to the aid of the eight who were arraigned in Tallahassee and tried in Gainesville. Among them were folk singers Pete Seeger and Phil Ochs. A more famous supporter of the eight was paralyzed vietnam veteran, Ron Kovic, whose life was later dramatized in an Oliver Stone film, "Born on the Fourth of July". The eight contended that they wanted the slingshots to lessen the chances of violence against demonstrators as had happened at the 1968 Democratic Party Convention in Chicago. Eventually all eight were acquitted of the charges and were allowed to return to what was left of their lives after they had been made martyrs for the cause.

When reached for a comment, Scott Camil had this to say:

"The conspiracy was the government's doing. We didn't want to be the 'Gainesville Eight'. The government was lying about the war. The government tried to detract from the anti-war movement by saying that protesters were unwilling to serve--that they were unpatriotic. They couldn't say that about us (the VVAW). We felt that there was a demand for people to know the truth and then they would help us stop the war."

This strife was an indication of the times. The public had found its voice through not just the uninvolved protester, but also through those who had been a part of the carnage and hysteria that was Vietnam. There are many sites that express the views of those who were soldiers during the Vietnam War and historians who have collected pictures and facts from that period in America's history.

 

[pax_et_bonum]

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[Wolverine]

http://www.oz.net/~vvawai/index.html

 

Check these links

 

[Wolverine]

About The War

[Hon]

Thanks for the links. I've been mining them myself.