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Gay wedlock would lead to worse
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution ^ | 2/17/04 | GEORGE M. WEAVER

Posted on 02/17/2004 5:48:59 AM PST by JesseHousman

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To: conserv13
That is not my belief.

Yup. It's a battle of beliefs isn't it. It didn't used to be my belief either so I understand why you don't see it the may I do now.

61 posted on 02/17/2004 8:41:47 AM PST by biblewonk (I must try to answer all bible questions.)
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To: beckysueb
I have read my Bible. I don't believe most of it.

Marriage is not just a religious sacrament, it is a civil matter also. Non-Christians get married all the time.
62 posted on 02/17/2004 8:43:27 AM PST by conserv13
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To: onmyfeet; biblewonk
Tom Ambrose has done some excellent essays on this, including this one. Some excerpts:
The real problem here is not that homosexuals are sinners like the rest of us, it is that they flaunt – rather than repent of – what they are doing. They are trying to indoctrinate our children in their way of life through the public schools. They are trying to silence opposition to what they do through legislative bullying and intimidation. They are trying to destroy the long-standing institution of marriage. And they are trying to decimate entire church denominations which do not capitulate to their demands.

In short, they are trying to destroy our way of life – life that was given to us from the time of Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. And they are succeeding. Indeed, they have gone way too far. And we have let them.

What homosexuals do in their bedrooms is between them and God. But what they do on our school boards and in our legislatures and churches is all of our business and we had better come to terms with this nasty fact of life soon before we lose our rights – and our children – to this twisted perversion of life.


64 posted on 02/17/2004 8:53:03 AM PST by FormerLib ("Homosexual marriage" is just another route to anarchy.)
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To: JesseHousman
It really has nothing to do with judges v the Constitution.

It has everything to do with secularism and humanism. In a society which increasingly relies on secular and humanist thinking to define its laws, why should there be a problem with conferring legal recognition on a "union" of two people of the same sex?

Only the belief that marriage is a Divinely instituted sacrament for the procreation of new life stands in the way of the present trend. In other words, marriage is made in heaven and God is its author. "Male and female He created them......", ".....shall leave his father and mother and cling to his wife and the two shall become one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together....." Now, for a society which is increasingly declaring its intention of removing God from all public dealings and affairs, the obvious progression is to arrive at a definition of marriage which is different from the Christian one. And it is in the process of doing precisely ths.

This folks, is the result of the "keep religion out of government" trend. The other side of the coin which sees Ten Commandments ripped out of court houses, school prayer banned etc etc. No, it is not a startling and frightening new development. It is simply a continuation of something that has been developing for half a century or more, mostly while America slept.

65 posted on 02/17/2004 8:58:39 AM PST by marshmallow
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To: onmyfeet
There is no such reality to be recognized by legalizing gay "marriage."

I don't support gay 'marriage' but I do support some kind of civil union: the idea of recognizing two people who live together and share financial assets, medical information, etc...That is reality and I have seen it. I have friends and family members who are gay and they and their partners love each other just as much as any straight couple does.

66 posted on 02/17/2004 8:58:45 AM PST by conserv13
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To: onmyfeet
"Just the knowlegde would give me creeps".....

Hmmmmmmmm my 2 cents here.....I think you define homophobic to a tee.

67 posted on 02/17/2004 8:58:51 AM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: jtminton
If homosexuality is really a genetic thing, then wouldn't they eventually become extinct?

The homosexual gene (if it exists) could be recessive, so heterosexuals could carry a "gay" gene and pass it on for generations until they had offspring with another person who was a carrier for the gene. If they both passed on the gay gene, their child would be gay.

Another possibility is that the gay gene requires something else to trigger it, or that homosexuality is caused by a combination of several different genes.

68 posted on 02/17/2004 9:00:21 AM PST by Modernman ("When you want to fool the world, tell the truth." -Otto von Bismarck)
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To: FormerLib
Strongly worded. I do not believe that the sin of those particular sinners has any power to cause me to "lose my children". Though the mushy middle that is somewhere between Christianity and non are at risk. But they have been warned. Obviously heathens are so repulsed by God and by Christians that I am fully convinced that they would commit a gay act out of defiance rather than out of really wanting to be gay.

I have gay neighbors and I do not fear them at all. If I were to fear them regarding their ability to cause my kids to become gay it would be impossible for me to love them as neighbors. Sure, I hate what they represent but when it comes to sexual sin, my hands are far from clean.

69 posted on 02/17/2004 9:02:21 AM PST by biblewonk (I must try to answer all bible questions.)
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To: livius
Are you a Christian?

Just curious....could you point me to the section of the Bible that points out where execution of effeminate men and transvestites is mentioned.....perhaps I've been mis-reading my Bible all along....


Jeez-Louise, I thought all this time God would be the one to judge...
70 posted on 02/17/2004 9:04:48 AM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: JesseHousman
The tone and tendency of liberalism...is to attack the institutions of the country under the name of reform and to make war on the manners and customs of the people under the pretext of progress(as progressives). - Benjamin Disraeli
71 posted on 02/17/2004 9:10:07 AM PST by hosepipe
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To: applemac_g4
In nature, which is red in tooth and claw, any gene like homosexuality which had a direct, negative effect on offspring production would result in its extinction.

Hmm.... But, in a primitive society (say, a group of hunter-gatherers), having a gay member of the group may actually help the group as a whole (and the group will have very similar genes). The gay member would contribute labor and help the rest of the group gather resources, while at the same time the gay member would not be having children (who contribute nothing until they are old enough to take part in hunting/gathering).

If we're assuming that the gay gene is recessive, other members of the hunter-gatherer family group would also carry the gene. Though the gay member might not pass on his genes, the other members of the group will and his contributions will help that passing on.

72 posted on 02/17/2004 9:10:25 AM PST by Modernman ("When you want to fool the world, tell the truth." -Otto von Bismarck)
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To: biblewonk
My 17 yearold daughter is working at a resturaunt and there is a sodomite that also works there. The other day he thought it would be funny to rub frosting on her face. She cried in the bathroom for 15 minutes.

That has nothing to do with him being gay- it has to do with him being a jerk.

73 posted on 02/17/2004 9:14:21 AM PST by Modernman ("When you want to fool the world, tell the truth." -Otto von Bismarck)
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To: beckysueb
Its my belief along with most other Americans and GODS. You better read your bible

I've seen recent polls that show most Americans do not consider homosexuality immoral. I tend to agree that homosexuality, among consenting adults, is morally neither good nor bad.

74 posted on 02/17/2004 9:17:58 AM PST by Modernman ("When you want to fool the world, tell the truth." -Otto von Bismarck)
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To: Modernman
That has nothing to do with him being gay- it has to do with him being a jerk.

There is a relationship to gayness and jerkness. Ever read the stats on violent gay deaths?

75 posted on 02/17/2004 9:18:00 AM PST by biblewonk (I must try to answer all bible questions.)
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76 posted on 02/17/2004 9:23:50 AM PST by EdReform (Support Free Republic - All donations are greatly appreciated. Thank you for your support!)
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To: biblewonk
There is a relationship to gayness and jerkness

The homosexuals I've known run the whole gamut. Some are quite nice, some are total jerks. Just my personal experience, of course. I don't hang out in the gay parts of town, usually (though, here in DC, the gay area, Dupont Circle, is also one of the hot nightspots for people of all persuasions), so I might be only getting exposure to a certain segment of the homosexual community.

79 posted on 02/17/2004 9:26:50 AM PST by Modernman ("When you want to fool the world, tell the truth." -Otto von Bismarck)
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To: ErnBatavia
This is a goldmine for lawyers! Divorce rates for gays will be high--the only ones who will gain are the insurance companies and the divorce courts. The next issue will be Poligamy--The Islamic peoples and traditionalist Mormons will spearhead this movement. It will take years but--Gay Marriage is now a thing that is here to stay! (It might cut down some of the AIDS stuff) Interesting note--Most of the people getting this are women.
80 posted on 02/17/2004 9:32:03 AM PST by Hollywoodghost (Let he who would be free strike the first blow)
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