(South Dakota) State House passes bill outlawing abortion

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[presidentsfriend]

Your point is well taken.

[4CJ]

If these are the most important issues to the new conservatives, I don't want to be a part of them. Abortion is murder, the fact that we have Pro-Choice Republicans and even Pro-Choice FReepers shows that TRUE conservative principles mean nothing anymore.

Bump. Government should be an advocate for children, especially for the unborn innocents, who have no one else to defend them against the mother murdering them.

[KQQL]

GO FIGURE!!

SD: State House passes bill outlawing abortion

However, PRO-Choice and Emily LIST sponsored Herseth is leading the GOP dude by 29%



SD CD election in


SD house JUNE 1,04
Herseth 58% - Diedrich 29%
13% undecided
MAson Dixon - MOE+/- 3.5% (02/07/04)
http://www.argusleader.com/update/Wednesdayarticle4.shtml

[BearArms]

Does anyone know what penalty this law provides for the principal perpetrator (the aborting woman)? I didn't see it mentioned in the article.

[contessa machiaveli]

the penalty is immediate execution without a trial.

[ClintonBeGone]

Plus, the supreme court will not hear an appeal from whichever federal district or court of appeals over turns the law. Then the pro-abortion side gets a big headline:

"Supreme Court Upholds Roe"

I swear sometimes my friends in the pro-life movement are more dangerous than the pro-aborts.

[MarcoPolo]

It's not about a party winning or losing. It's about standing up for what is right and saving the lives of innocents.

[TexConfederate1861]

"If a bill is passed outlawing abortion, many Republican women would start voting Democrat."

Then GOOD RIDDANCE!

We don't need BABY KILLERS in the REPUBLICAN PARTY!

[rikkir]

"Plus, the supreme court will not hear an appeal from whichever federal district or court of appeals over turns the law."

Okay suppose they don't. It still brings the issue up in a new and interesting light. This vote was not along party lines. I'm not sure of the numbers (I've looked but can't find them, any FR help appreciated), but some Dems crossed over on this.
For years the Dems have held this issue as a non flexible part of their platform. There is no publicly spoken about Dem pro life movement. How many Dems can you think of that have had to change their view on this issue to fall in line for Dem national office. Whereas the Pubbies have allowed (wrong headed as it may be) a pro choice (death) movement to exist in the party.
I believe many Dem voters are in the majority of Americans that when polled, are against abortion on demand.
If the Dems who voted for this in SD will stand up and be proud that they defended the rights of the most innocent of children, perhaps we could see some other Dems who will allow their conscience to take over and say yes we are Dem but we don't believe in the murder of children.
I'm sorry this is rambling, but here is the point. We need to remove the stigma that forces Dems to choke back the bile and support abortion to please the party masters. We need to get this away from being a Rep vs Dem thing, and force people to see it from the standpoint of right and wrong, and if these Dems in SD had the courage, maybe it will spread.
I hope this made sense. I knew what I wanted to say but I don't know if I communicated it correctly. If anybody else sees where I'm coming from, please jump in and help.

[BearArms]

the penalty is immediate execution without a trial.

Well, there would have to be a trial first, but execution is the majority supported penalty for premeditated murder, isn't it? That or life imprisonment in less heinous cases. But right now, I'm just interested in determining if there is any penalty at all in this bill for the woman who willfully procures the killing of her embryo/fetus.

[ClintonBeGone]

Okay suppose they don't. It still brings the issue up in a new and interesting light. This vote was not along party lines. I'm not sure of the numbers (I've looked but can't find them, any FR help appreciated), but some Dems crossed over on this.

Do you really think South Dakota is representative of the country as a whole? Or even the politics of Washington DC? The entire state is a contradiction, voting GOP for President and yet sending 2 liberal Democrat Senators to Washington. Respectfully, I think your theory is naive.

[Destructor]

Bad timing. Very bad timing.

[Indie]

in practical terms: STUPID, STUPID, STUPID!

It is never stupid to try to fight for "right" against the federal govt and the tyrannical judiciary. Somebody has to do it like this [legally] or the guns will come out eventually.

[inquest]

It doesn't look like there's any penalty for the mother, which I judge to be a good thing. As long as the would-be abortionist is deterred from doing the deed, that's enough to keep the baby alive. Establishing penalties for the mother would potentially turn women into suspects whenever they miscarry. It's an unnecessary risk to innocent women who would already be suffering from their loss.

[inquest]

The entire state is a contradiction, voting GOP for President and yet sending 2 liberal Democrat Senators to Washington.

That's hardly unique to South Dakota. People do not vote for congressmen on the basis of ideology. In congressional races only two words matter: KA-CHING.

[Vigilanteman]

Case in point: Now North Dakota Senator Byron Dorgan was a vulnerable two-term congressman when he was challenged in 1984 by a dimwit RINO Republican Party who thought it would be cool to run a pro-abortionist woman named Lois Altenberg against him. Dorgan ran on a pro-life platform and buried Altenberg with 70% plus of the vote. Vulnerable before that election, he has never looked back or been seriously challenged since. The margin of the South Dakota legislature vote shows you just how popular the issue is in that part of the country.

[ClintonBeGone]

That's hardly unique to South Dakota.

The issue isn't whether it's unique to SD, it's whether the state is a contradiction. I think you'll agree with me that it is.

[BearArms]

It doesn't look like there's any penalty for the mother, which I judge to be a good thing. As long as the would-be abortionist is deterred from doing the deed, that's enough to keep the baby alive. Establishing penalties for the mother would potentially turn women into suspects whenever they miscarry. It's an unnecessary risk to innocent women who would already be suffering from their loss.

I'm sure that many who have committed murder have suffered emotionally in some way as a result of their willful, voluntary act (guilt, remorse, etc.). Nevertheless, justice requires that someone who kills a human being in a premeditated manner be punished severely, either by death or a long prison sentence. Why is it different in cases of abortion?

[inquest]

The issue isn't whether it's unique to SD

I was going by the question you asked: "Do you really think South Dakota is representative of the country as a whole?"

[inquest]

I understand your point. But for the reasons I stated above, I still would argue against charging a mother for the death of her unborn infant unless it were first proven that an abortionist had operated on her. That, for all practical purposes, would mean convicting him first.